1.) crookedeye - 09/24/2013

theres a special on tonight on espn called "the book of Mannings" its going to be an hour long with nothing but storys of manning greatness. i didnt want you to miss it..

2.) bluecat - 09/24/2013

It's on tonight but the time of start is still sketchy. It all depends on Peyton's audible. I suggest viewing on the snap count. Hurry hurry!

3.) bluecat - 09/24/2013

[QUOTE=crookedeye;10963]theres a special on tonight on espn called "the book of Mannings" its going to be an hour long with nothing but storys of manning greatness. i didnt want you to miss it..[/QUOTE]

Okay, I didn't see this at first but how are they going to cram all the greatness into an hour? Is this just part I of a mini-series?

4.) DParker - 09/24/2013

[QUOTE=bluecat;10966]Okay, I didn't see this at first but how are they going to cram all the greatness into an hour? Is this just part I of a mini-series?[/QUOTE]

Maybe they're only talking about Eli, and 55 minutes of commercials.

5.) bluecat - 09/24/2013

:laugh:

6.) bluecat - 09/24/2013

[QUOTE=DParker;10967]Maybe they're only talking about Eli, and 55 minutes of commercials.[/QUOTE]

So it's just a rebroadcast of an old Giant's game?

7.) Swamp Fox - 09/24/2013

[QUOTE=crookedeye;10963]theres a special on tonight on espn called "the book of Mannings" its going to be an hour long with nothing but storys of manning greatness. i didnt want you to miss it..[/QUOTE]

:tu:

8.) BULLZ-i - 09/24/2013

I TOLD YOU... IF I HAD A TIME MACHINE, I WOULD GO BACK TO 1792 AND KICK GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDPAPPY MANNING IN THE NUTS

9.) bluecat - 09/24/2013

He would probably be wearing ye ole cup.

10.) BULLZ-i - 09/24/2013

MAYBE I SHOULD GO BACK FURTHER TO FIG LEAF MANNING

11.) DParker - 09/24/2013

[QUOTE=bluecat;10969][QUOTE=DParker;10967]Maybe they're only talking about Eli, and 55 minutes of commercials.[/QUOTE]
:laugh:[/QUOTE]

Throw in a 4 minute interview with John Madden talking about how much better Brett Favre was and I think it works.

12.) bluecat - 09/24/2013

Boom!

13.) Ventilator - 09/24/2013

at least me an bullz-eye agree on something. :tu:

14.) Floyd - 09/24/2013

[QUOTE=DParker;10987]Throw in a 4 minute interview with John Madden talking about how much better Brett Favre was and I think it works.[/QUOTE]

No way you can keep Madden down to four minutes.

BULLZ-i

BULLZ-i

BULLZ-i

15.) DParker - 09/24/2013

[QUOTE=Floyd;11002]No way you can keep Madden down to four minutes.[/QUOTE]

Then give him the remaining minute that would have been wasted on Eli. Even better.

16.) BULLZ-i - 09/24/2013

[QUOTE=Ventilator;10998]at least me an bullz-eye agree on something. :tu:[/QUOTE]

[B]WHY ?[/B] YOU JUST CANT HELP FLAPPING YOUR BIG MOUTH CAN YOU. FUGGIN USELESS!

17.) Floyd - 09/25/2013

I commend BULLZ-i for not initiating and showing very good restraint. Well Done Dan. Keep up the good work. :clap:

18.) Floyd - 09/25/2013

Mr. Marcum, I need your help and expertise.

19.) Floyd - 09/25/2013

Thank you Mr. Marcum

20.) Ventilator - 09/25/2013

[QUOTE=Floyd;11006]I commend BULLZ-i for not initiating and showing very good restraint. Well Done Dan. Keep up the good work. :clap:[/QUOTE]

really floyd, that's WTF u call not initiating? He was immediately being an ass and here u are again to wipe his butt! You keep up the good work.....BZ will have one clean ass! :hb:

21.) crookedeye - 09/25/2013

hey you guys.. this is about the greatness of the mannings..lol.

22.) Swamp Fox - 09/25/2013

I like all the Mannings. I like Brett Favre. I like John Madden.

Hell, I like everybody. Almost. :-)

Speaking of which, where's Luv2?


[B]Brett Favre still could play in NFL, agent Bus Cook says[/B]

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000250156/article/brett-favre-still-could-play-in-nfl-agent-bus-cook-says[/url]

23.) Floyd - 09/25/2013

[QUOTE=BULLZ-i;10983]I TOLD YOU... IF I HAD A TIME MACHINE, I WOULD GO BACK TO 1792 AND KICK GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDPAPPY MANNING IN THE NUTS[/QUOTE]

Dan's first post: Vent offended?

[QUOTE=BULLZ-i;10986]MAYBE I SHOULD GO BACK FURTHER TO FIG LEAF MANNING[/QUOTE]

Dan's second post: Vent offended?

[QUOTE=Ventilator;10998]at least me an bullz-eye agree on something. :tu:[/QUOTE]

Vent's first post: Dan offended? (maybe the miss spelling of his name or you agreeing with him or both; IDK)

[QUOTE=BULLZ-i;11005][B]WHY ?[/B] YOU JUST CANT HELP FLAPPING YOUR BIG MOUTH CAN YOU. FUGGIN USELESS![/QUOTE]

Dan's first post after Vent posted: Maybe Dan was offended. Looks like it. After Vent's first (initiated) post.

I looked back again and again. I did not see where Dan initiated. I see where he responded after you posted. I could be wrong. I could be wrong about this too, everyone knows he's going to respond to you. You know this too. Particularly when you international or unintentionally miss spell his name.

[QUOTE=Ventilator;11009]really floyd, that's WTF u call not initiating? He was immediately being an ass and here u are again to wipe his butt! You keep up the good work.....BZ will have one clean ass! :hb:[/QUOTE]

Keep up the good work Ventilator. You are the man. :hb:

[QUOTE=Ventilator;10998]I disagree with the OP. (Fixed) [/QUOTE]

I know, very liberal of me to point this out. I'm wrong and sorry and I need to go wipe BZ's but now.

24.) Floyd - 09/25/2013

Bad BULLZ-i, Bad.

Bad Floyd, Bad

Bad Crookeded, Bad (crookedeye initiated the thread; OP)

25.) Floyd - 09/25/2013

Sometimes I say Eli manning, when I'm actually talking about Peyton Manning.

Is Eli the black sheep or underdog between the two?

26.) BULLZ-i - 09/25/2013

TO BE THE DOUCHE BAG, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE DOUCHE BAG AND I'M NOT WILLING TO EVEN TRY!

THERE'S ALWAYS ONE IN THE CROWD AND THIS WALDO AINT HARD TO FIND. HE'S ALSO A WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH AND BREATHING OUR AIR. IF EVER GIVEN THE CHANCE I WONT HIDE BEHIND THE KEYBOARD. HE HAS NO CONTROL OVER HIS BIG FAT SLACK JAWS AND IS TOO STUPID TO EVEN TRY.:bang:

27.) Floyd - 09/25/2013

Let's be perfectly clear about this, Dan is not talking to me or responding to me , so please leave me out of his last post. Please engage directly, respond directly to Dan - Bullz-I.

SWAMPY - title of a new book - They Shot the Man in the Middle

28.) Ventilator - 09/25/2013

nah, i wont respond to him at all. even if i agree with him. or internationaly spell his name wrong.

29.) Ventilator - 09/25/2013

and as for the documented threats he throws out contstantly......im not hiding anywhere. I live my life as i want i go where i want. Just like free people in the USA do. It disgusts me that another member of our great military acts the way he does. When i served, we got along with most all the other service men & women. As for the threats, well lets just say i have 15 reasons it wont end well for someone threatning me bodily harm in person.

30.) BULLZ-i - 09/25/2013

15 TELLS ME YOU'RE A LOUSY SHOT, WHICH MAKES ME UNDERSTAND YOUR SMASHING SHOULDER SHOTS ON ANIMALS YOU'RE SO FAMOUS FOR AND PROUD OF. AS FAR AS THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH... GO FOR IT, BUT REALIZE, IT'S NOT "FREEDOM TO FLAP" OTHER THAN THAT................................................................PIZZ OFT DB

31.) BULLZ-i - 09/25/2013

[B][SIZE=7][COLOR="#FF0000"][U]IGNORE ![/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] :wave:

32.) bluecat - 09/25/2013

The both of ya! To bed without any supper.

33.) Floyd - 09/25/2013

Swampy, CE, let's apply for a govment grant to find out why the Mannings bring out the worst and the best out of people.

I all ready have the finale, "non-conclusive" paragraph done. Crookedeye can take care of the mumbo jumbo meddle paragraphs, and Swampy can write the opening paragraph. We use this thread as a source document. DP can do the "foreward". Bluecat can do the graphics. mmm, anyone else?

34.) bluecat - 09/25/2013

In all honesty, I've never given the Mannings much thought...until last year when Peyton got snubbed by his former team because of his neck injury. I always root for the underdog and he has given me a reason to stand up and root for him. I've always hated the Denver Broncos. Really, with a passion. Now I'm actually rooting for them because I want to see Peyton take that team all the way.

Like him or hate him, you have to admire his football mind. Every play is just crazy with all his audibles and such. When they acquired Wes Welker I knew that the "one-two" punch had been set in place. How New England let him go, I'll never know.

Here's to Peyton going all the way and proving to the Colts they should have stuck with a known quantity.

35.) Floyd - 09/25/2013

Tebow a New England victim too?

36.) Jon - 09/26/2013

Yup, Tebow got cut from the Pats

37.) Floyd - 09/26/2013

Why?

38.) bluecat - 09/26/2013

Tebow is a fine human being. I'd date him if I could. NFL quarterback, no.

39.) Floyd - 09/26/2013

.....based on? How does Tebow's four years compare?

40.) bluecat - 09/26/2013

He is not fleet of foot. Can't make accurate passes. Can't make reads. His college game never translated to the pros. Any team would love to have players that worked as hard as that man.

41.) Swamp Fox - 09/26/2013

Kurt Warner to Tebow: Play [B]Somewhere[/B]

[url]http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-09-07/tim-tebow-quarterback-cfl-another-position-nfl-kurt-warner-advice[/url]

Has anyone said they'd want him at QB "...But he just doesn't fit our system" or is he SOL at QB completely in the NFL at this point? I'm still a little surprised at the way he got drafted and positioned/trained when he entered the league in the first place. These doubts about him have always been out there as far as I could ever tell.

42.) bluecat - 09/26/2013

I'm not a football mind so I definately don't want to come off as a know-it-all. I was surprised that he hasn't done better in the NFL. I mean he was the Heisman Trophy winner right? But if you watch him play, he just kind looks like a big lug out there. Plenty of heart, just nothing much else. Florida's offense was able to hide some of what was lacking in the NFL.

43.) Swamp Fox - 09/26/2013

[QUOTE=bluecat;11088]... I definately don't want to come off as a know-it-all... [/QUOTE]

Well, then you've come to the right place...


:ach:

44.) Swamp Fox - 09/26/2013

I wish I knew half as much about football as an old girlfriend of mine knew about baseball...And I [I]played[/I] football most of my yute...But I remember getting this huge playbook in a three-ring binder in the mail over the summer...it was probably fourth grade, maybe fifth (I think JV was either Grades 4-6 or 5-6) and then you went on to Varsity...

I was like...Wait, what is this? x's and o's and arrows all over? Huh?...and I'm supposed to know what's the difference between a flanker and Whaaaa?...Did I really just sign up for this? It's the SUMMER, man!

LOL....But a true story...That book had me freaked out!

45.) bluecat - 09/26/2013

Can you imagine learning a whole playbook for a team and then being traded to another team?

46.) bluecat - 09/26/2013

Swampy most guys would give their left...um...thingy to have a girlfriend that knows about sports. Did you at least get to second base? I love second base.

47.) Swamp Fox - 09/26/2013

Can you imagine being a coach who's just had a player traded who knows all his plays?

D'oh!

There's not a rule that says you can't rat out your old playbook to your new team, is there?

Maybe all you do is change your signals or tweak your formation slightly...But man, that's gotta be a mess!

On the other hand, pay me what these guys make to play or coach and I believe I could meet the mental challenge...

48.) Swamp Fox - 09/26/2013

[QUOTE=bluecat;11095]Swampy most guys would give their left...um...thingy to have a girlfriend that knows about sports. Did you at least get to second base? I love second base.[/QUOTE]

LOL...

She was a good 'un...

If I knew then what I know now :duh: :bang: :groan:...Is it too early to start drinking?


On the other hand, the experience has permanently ensured I will not spend any more time watching the St. Louis Cardinals, which means I have a lot more time to fish, surf the internet and practice the fetal position...

49.) DParker - 09/26/2013

[QUOTE=bluecat;11075]He is not fleet of foot. Can't make accurate passes. Can't make reads. His college game never translated to the pros. Any team would love to have players that worked as hard as that man.[/QUOTE]

I was just going to say, ''Because in spite of being a decent guy, as a QB he sucks by NFL standards." But I guess your phrasing is a bit kinder and less vague.

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;11089]Well, then you've come to the right place...


:ach:[/QUOTE]

50.) Swamp Fox - 09/26/2013

Stephen! ... My man!

:laugh:

51.) DParker - 09/26/2013

Just to show off my mad Excel skillz (chicks dig that in a fat, grey-haired old man) I took a quick look at the QB passing stats at nfl.com from 2011, the last year that Tebow got any significant play time in. I captured the passing stats for Total Attempts, Total Completions, Total Passing Yards & Total Interceptions and used them to compute Completion %, Yards / Attempt, Yards / Completion & Interception % (of total attempts). I then divided that stats into two tables, one containing stats for ALL QBs that had stats (73 in all), and one for just each team's starting QB (32 teams). I then used that to rank Tebow on the computed stats relative to all QBs and relative to just starting QBs. The lower the rank #, the better. Here are the results:

[INDENT][B][U]Against All QBs (Ranking out of 73)[/U][/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][table="width: 500, class: grid"]
[tr]
\t[td][CENTER][B]Stat[/B][/CENTER][/td]
\t[td][CENTER][B]Avg. Value[/B][/CENTER][/td]
\t[td][CENTER][B]Tebow's Value[/B][/CENTER][/td]
\t[td][CENTER][B]Tebow's Rank[/B][/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
\t[td]Completion %[/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]60.27%[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]60.27%[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][CENTER]68[/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
\t[td]Yards / Attempt[/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]7.26[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]6.38[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][CENTER]50[/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
\t[td]Yards / Completion[/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]12.05[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]13.72[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][CENTER]13[/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
\t[td]Interception %[/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]2.85%[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]2.21%[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][CENTER]29[/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
[/INDENT]

[INDENT][B][U]Against Starting QBs (Ranking out of 32)[/U][/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][table="width: 500, class: grid"]
[tr]
\t[td][CENTER][B]Stat[/B][/CENTER][/td]
\t[td][CENTER][B]Avg. Value[/B][/CENTER][/td]
\t[td][CENTER][B]Tebow's Value[/B][/CENTER][/td]
\t[td][CENTER][B]Tebow's Rank[/B][/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
\t[td]Completion %[/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]60.69%[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]46.49[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][CENTER]32[/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
\t[td]Yards / Attempt[/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]7.38[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]6.38[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][CENTER]27[/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
\t[td]Yards / Completion[/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]12.16[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]13.72[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][CENTER]5[/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
\t[td]Interception %[/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]2.36%[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][RIGHT]2.21%[/RIGHT][/td]
\t[td][CENTER]10[/CENTER][/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
[/INDENT]

So he fared pretty well on Yards / Completion and Interception %, but his extremely poor Completion % - even when compared with the entire pool of active QBs and not just starters (where he ranked dead last) - was a killer.

52.) DParker - 09/26/2013

Aw, hell! OK, In the "Against All QBs" table the figure for the "Completion %" stat under "Tebow's Value" should be 46.49%. And the correct number in the other table is missing the "%". My proofreading sucks as badly as his passing accuracy.

53.) Swamp Fox - 09/26/2013

It would help if we didn't have that Edit Blocker program running in the background. I've been on the phone with Tech Support today, as you can see.

I will send a message by swallow, encased in a coconut---the message, I mean-- to Luv2 to see if he can tunnel into the system...

54.) DParker - 09/26/2013

An African Luv2 or a European Luv2?

55.) Swamp Fox - 09/26/2013

Whichever one migrates like a coconut...:-)

56.) Floyd - 09/27/2013

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;11085]Kurt Warner to Tebow: Play [B]Somewhere[/B]

[url]http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-09-07/tim-tebow-quarterback-cfl-another-position-nfl-kurt-warner-advice[/url]

Has anyone said they'd want him at QB "...But he just doesn't fit our system" or is he SOL at QB completely in the NFL at this point? I'm still a little surprised at the way he got drafted and positioned/trained when he entered the league in the first place. These doubts about him have always been out there as far as I could ever tell.[/QUOTE]

Swampy has something there. He had a lot going for him and a lot going against him.

Seems the professional football fan is less forgiving than the college football fan. (generally speaking)

57.) crookedeye - 09/27/2013

you guys are forgetting one quarterback that should be listed in the pound for pound category..aka "TEAM MAGIC" probally be drafted in the first round.. and excel in the nfl..

58.) bluecat - 09/27/2013

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;11097]LOL...

If I knew then what I know now :duh: :bang: :groan:...Is it too early to start drinking? [/QUOTE]

If I knew then what I know now, I'd be a lot taller.

59.) bluecat - 09/27/2013

[QUOTE=Floyd;11122]Swampy has something there. He had a lot going for him and a lot going against him.

Seems the professional football fan is less forgiving than the college football fan. (generally speaking)[/QUOTE]

Well it was a lot easier not to complain when his Florida teams were killing everyone.

60.) bluecat - 09/27/2013

[QUOTE=DParker;11098]


[/QUOTE]

Just a little off the top please.

61.) Floyd - 09/27/2013

[QUOTE=bluecat;11134]Well it was a lot easier not to complain when his Florida teams were killing everyone.[/QUOTE]

Your statement is true and I agree.

Missed the point though.

Even easygoing CE is harder on the pro teams than college teams. (AGAIN generally speaking (meaning your free to point out the obvious exceptions) (Teams/players)

I specially love the people that equate an heismen trophy winner to a veteran football player (in all cases) and expect them to play the same on day one of the hiesman professional career. I did and still do.

I love listening in to sports call in shows. I think hockey guys are much meaner and nastier on those shows than football guys. Specially the northeast and Chicago area. Those guys can talk the stuff and very very unforgiving. I like it. I don't even know why we are even still talking about the loser. Oh, I remember. :tu:

62.) Swamp Fox - 09/27/2013

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;11110]Whichever one migrates like a coconut...:-)[/QUOTE]

I remember now...It's the European one that migrates...

The expectations for players are different when they're making big bucks and out of school. It's only natural. You have to be a real SOB to talk trash about some kid-athlete who still gets new underwear from his Mom at Christmas.

You're just a little less of an SOB to do it when he's a few years older, making a great living playing a game. :wink

63.) crookedeye - 09/28/2013

best game this week will be broncos vs eagles.

64.) crookedeye - 09/29/2013

looks like the broncos are the team to beat..

can you believe this years half time show??? unbelievable.. i never heard of this guy before..

65.) DParker - 09/30/2013

[QUOTE=crookedeye;11268]looks like the broncos are the team to beat..[/QUOTE]

Meanwhile, the Steelers are lulling the rest of the league in to a false sense of security. Then, when no one's looking...BAM!

66.) Go Bucks - 09/30/2013

[QUOTE=DParker;11272]Meanwhile, the Steelers are lulling the rest of the league in to a false sense of security. Then, when no one's looking...BAM![/QUOTE]

then now is the time....

67.) Go Bucks - 09/30/2013

[QUOTE=crookedeye;11167]best game this week will be broncos vs eagles.[/QUOTE]

on paper it should have been... then someone named Manning showed up