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1.) bluecat - 10/30/2019
Oh what fun!
The pack I currently have is made by Rocky - nice pack, horrible boots. My boots melted in my closest but that is another story.
So I actually like the Rocky pack but wish it was a little bigger with maybe an external or internal frame. The problem I have is the pack is so loaded with stuff that I feel like I need a frame.
So I took out my Alice pack the other day and it is simply not big enough and there aren't as many side pockets. Frame is fantastic though. Thought maybe I could take the Alice frame and put in on my Rocky pack. No.
Hanging a framed pack in a tree is also a problem.
So then I got out my fanny pack and put the essentials in it and then the rest went into the backpack. Problem with that set up is the fanny pack doesn't play well with a backpack as the two are trying to occupy the same position on my butt. There is also one additional piece of gear that I have to keep track of. Simpler is better. Always.
So now I'm back to looking at backpacks and took a quick look at Badlands. If you look at these packs there is basically one big compartment and a couple of side pockets. The more the pack holds the fewer the side pockets. It's the side pockets that allow you to quickly get out a grunt tube or find your binoculars when you need them. The one big compartment in a pack is fine for clothes but when you are trying to find individual items it's horrible.
The prices are also pretty high. Their framed pack is over 500.00 and has no side pockets. If I was hiking to a location to camp I can see the pack being useful but I need to put my hands on my release and know where it is quickly.
What am I missing? Don't designers hunt?
The pack I currently have is made by Rocky - nice pack, horrible boots. My boots melted in my closest but that is another story.
So I actually like the Rocky pack but wish it was a little bigger with maybe an external or internal frame. The problem I have is the pack is so loaded with stuff that I feel like I need a frame.
So I took out my Alice pack the other day and it is simply not big enough and there aren't as many side pockets. Frame is fantastic though. Thought maybe I could take the Alice frame and put in on my Rocky pack. No.
Hanging a framed pack in a tree is also a problem.
So then I got out my fanny pack and put the essentials in it and then the rest went into the backpack. Problem with that set up is the fanny pack doesn't play well with a backpack as the two are trying to occupy the same position on my butt. There is also one additional piece of gear that I have to keep track of. Simpler is better. Always.
So now I'm back to looking at backpacks and took a quick look at Badlands. If you look at these packs there is basically one big compartment and a couple of side pockets. The more the pack holds the fewer the side pockets. It's the side pockets that allow you to quickly get out a grunt tube or find your binoculars when you need them. The one big compartment in a pack is fine for clothes but when you are trying to find individual items it's horrible.
The prices are also pretty high. Their framed pack is over 500.00 and has no side pockets. If I was hiking to a location to camp I can see the pack being useful but I need to put my hands on my release and know where it is quickly.
What am I missing? Don't designers hunt?
2.) Swamp Fox - 10/31/2019
Like Bill Clinton, I feel your pain.
Also, there is an excellent parody out there from the old [I]Weekly Standard [/I]of Bill agreeing with Hillary on "What difference at this point does it make?" from long ago ... But I digress ...
[B]Badlands packs went in the wrong direction soon after they became popular for going in the right direction. I have a few more comments to make about that, but I will desist. [/B]
I would be looking on ebay for their earlier packs (say 2005-20012 just for shits and grins) and if I ever get a minute I will give you a few model names to look for to see if they might fit.
Also, there is an excellent parody out there from the old [I]Weekly Standard [/I]of Bill agreeing with Hillary on "What difference at this point does it make?" from long ago ... But I digress ...
[B]Badlands packs went in the wrong direction soon after they became popular for going in the right direction. I have a few more comments to make about that, but I will desist. [/B]
I would be looking on ebay for their earlier packs (say 2005-20012 just for shits and grins) and if I ever get a minute I will give you a few model names to look for to see if they might fit.
3.) Swamp Fox - 10/31/2019
PM sent ...
4.) bluecat - 10/31/2019
Are you Sonny or Tubbs?
5.) bluecat - 10/31/2019
So, just to pile on a bit. On my Rocky, I've got 4 smaller outside pockets and one larger outside pocket, pocket on top flap and smaller pocket on lower back.
top flap: compass, keys
top right: sheath knife, folder knife, headlamp, small flashlight, extra batteries
lower right: TP, hand sanitizer, paracord
top left: extra release, gps unit
lower left: range finder, scent wafers, bow string wax
larger outside pouch pocket: rattle bag, release, mesh face mask, grunt tube, binoculars, strap with equipment hooks
inside pocket: folder saw with wood and bone blade, license, first aid bag, hand warmers
lower back: bow hook
pants pocket: cell phone
Now put all of that in a large compartment along with a water bottle, harness, gloves, rope etc. and you have a recipe for disaster.
So I see backpacks with great quality just not useable design.
I would actually like to have my kill stuff with me but there is no room: pulley system, butt-out, small tarp, meat bags, ziplocs for heart and liver, string for colon etc.
top flap: compass, keys
top right: sheath knife, folder knife, headlamp, small flashlight, extra batteries
lower right: TP, hand sanitizer, paracord
top left: extra release, gps unit
lower left: range finder, scent wafers, bow string wax
larger outside pouch pocket: rattle bag, release, mesh face mask, grunt tube, binoculars, strap with equipment hooks
inside pocket: folder saw with wood and bone blade, license, first aid bag, hand warmers
lower back: bow hook
pants pocket: cell phone
Now put all of that in a large compartment along with a water bottle, harness, gloves, rope etc. and you have a recipe for disaster.
So I see backpacks with great quality just not useable design.
I would actually like to have my kill stuff with me but there is no room: pulley system, butt-out, small tarp, meat bags, ziplocs for heart and liver, string for colon etc.
6.) bluecat - 10/31/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59399]Are you Sonny or Tubbs?[/QUOTE]
Wait, are you hijacking your own thread?
Wait, are you hijacking your own thread?
7.) bluecat - 10/31/2019
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59396]
Badlands packs went in the wrong direction soon after they became popular for going in the right direction. [/QUOTE]
:-)
You can throw so many manufacturers into that mix. It's like they can't get out of their own way.
Badlands packs went in the wrong direction soon after they became popular for going in the right direction. [/QUOTE]
:-)
You can throw so many manufacturers into that mix. It's like they can't get out of their own way.
8.) bluecat - 10/31/2019
There was a thread awhile back on the dark side where somebody had a Badlands pack that had some seams that had failed or something to that effect. Badlands wouldn't honor the defect even though their products are supposedly guaranteed for life. This thread went on for months and hundreds of posts of people denouncing their loyalty to Badlands for their failure to honor their guarantee. It was quite entertaining.
I'm thinking you could have taken care of the guy's problem and earned some respect as opposed to becoming a public enemy over a small repair job.
I'm thinking you could have taken care of the guy's problem and earned some respect as opposed to becoming a public enemy over a small repair job.
9.) Swamp Fox - 10/31/2019
What was their reason for refusing the repair?--- Because they have always trumpeted their "bomb-proof" packs are covered by their bomb-proof warranty ---or words to that effect.
10.) Swamp Fox - 10/31/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59399]Are you Sonny or Tubbs?[/QUOTE]
I'm Batman.
I'm Batman.
11.) Swamp Fox - 10/31/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59401]Wait, are you hijacking your own thread?[/QUOTE]
It's still almost a free country ...
It's still almost a free country ...
12.) Swamp Fox - 10/31/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59400]So, just to pile on a bit. On my Rocky, I've got 4 smaller outside pockets and one larger outside pocket, pocket on top flap and smaller pocket on lower back.
top flap: compass, keys
top right: sheath knife, folder knife, headlamp, small flashlight, extra batteries
lower right: TP, hand sanitizer, paracord
top left: extra release, gps unit
lower left: range finder, scent wafers, bow string wax
larger outside pouch pocket: rattle bag, release, mesh face mask, grunt tube, binoculars, strap with equipment hooks
inside pocket: folder saw with wood and bone blade, license, first aid bag, hand warmers
lower back: bow hook
pants pocket: cell phone
Now put all of that in a large compartment along with a water bottle, harness, gloves, rope etc. and you have a recipe for disaster.
So I see backpacks with great quality just not useable design.
I would actually like to have my kill stuff with me but there is no room: pulley system, butt-out, small tarp, meat bags, ziplocs for heart and liver, string for colon etc.[/QUOTE]
Random thoughts:
Cargo pants/BDUs are your friend.
A bino pack/harness is your friend.
A fanny pack worn in the front is your friend.
A chest pack/ small backpack worn in the front is your friend.
Buddy Lok and Molle and similar pouches/systems are your friend.
I essentially gave up on carrying much "kill kit" gear on most hunts, even when hunting deep (Southern deep, not Western deep, but legit deep nonetheless). The pack requirement is just too much, and even if it weren't, you're not hauling all the meat plus all your gear out in one trip anyway. Especially in the early season, I try to prepare for getting the deer dressed to cool before coming back for it ---which admittedly sometimes also means extra gear to get it in a tree for the interim (swamp, coyotes, eastern mountain lions, etc. etc.)-- but most of the butchering gear stays at the truck until I come back for it.
I say essentially because I do have a kit ready to go to hunt a couple of deep swamp stands one way in and one way out, but I use it so infrequently because of the PITA factor that it's almost not worth mentioning.
Whoever first promoted the idea that you should be able to kill your deer and get it and all your gear out in one trip was obviously a sick, sick man, and not hunting how and where I (mostly) do.
top flap: compass, keys
top right: sheath knife, folder knife, headlamp, small flashlight, extra batteries
lower right: TP, hand sanitizer, paracord
top left: extra release, gps unit
lower left: range finder, scent wafers, bow string wax
larger outside pouch pocket: rattle bag, release, mesh face mask, grunt tube, binoculars, strap with equipment hooks
inside pocket: folder saw with wood and bone blade, license, first aid bag, hand warmers
lower back: bow hook
pants pocket: cell phone
Now put all of that in a large compartment along with a water bottle, harness, gloves, rope etc. and you have a recipe for disaster.
So I see backpacks with great quality just not useable design.
I would actually like to have my kill stuff with me but there is no room: pulley system, butt-out, small tarp, meat bags, ziplocs for heart and liver, string for colon etc.[/QUOTE]
Random thoughts:
Cargo pants/BDUs are your friend.
A bino pack/harness is your friend.
A fanny pack worn in the front is your friend.
A chest pack/ small backpack worn in the front is your friend.
Buddy Lok and Molle and similar pouches/systems are your friend.
I essentially gave up on carrying much "kill kit" gear on most hunts, even when hunting deep (Southern deep, not Western deep, but legit deep nonetheless). The pack requirement is just too much, and even if it weren't, you're not hauling all the meat plus all your gear out in one trip anyway. Especially in the early season, I try to prepare for getting the deer dressed to cool before coming back for it ---which admittedly sometimes also means extra gear to get it in a tree for the interim (swamp, coyotes, eastern mountain lions, etc. etc.)-- but most of the butchering gear stays at the truck until I come back for it.
I say essentially because I do have a kit ready to go to hunt a couple of deep swamp stands one way in and one way out, but I use it so infrequently because of the PITA factor that it's almost not worth mentioning.
Whoever first promoted the idea that you should be able to kill your deer and get it and all your gear out in one trip was obviously a sick, sick man, and not hunting how and where I (mostly) do.
13.) Swamp Fox - 11/01/2019
.....
14.) Swamp Fox - 11/01/2019
[I]Your pack is heavy, your belt is tight,
Your balls are swingin' from left to right ...
Left, Left, Left Right Left ... [/I]
Your balls are swingin' from left to right ...
Left, Left, Left Right Left ... [/I]
15.) Swamp Fox - 11/01/2019
16.) bluecat - 11/01/2019
lol ^^^^^^^^^^^
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59407]Random thoughts:
Whoever first promoted the idea that you should be able to kill your deer and get it and all your gear out in one trip was obviously a sick, sick man, and not hunting how and where I (mostly) do.[/QUOTE]
You mean, you don't radio the ranch and let them know you've just downed a giant 10-ptr and then wait until the pickup arrives to your stand with photographers and plenty of ranch hands?
I agree about the cargo pants. Wouldn't hunt without them.
One of the places I'm hunting now is a half-mile walk in, so leaving kill stuff in the truck would not be feasible as it would lead to a mile walk just to go and get it. The game cart is helpful in most areas but it can be burdensome if the terrain is bad. Most of this is done in the dark as I hunt mostly in the late afternoons. All of it sucks. The deer has to come out in bags. It would be even more of a nightmare trying to get a whole deer back and into the Blazer.
I guess if it was easy then everyone would do it, right?
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59407]Random thoughts:
Whoever first promoted the idea that you should be able to kill your deer and get it and all your gear out in one trip was obviously a sick, sick man, and not hunting how and where I (mostly) do.[/QUOTE]
You mean, you don't radio the ranch and let them know you've just downed a giant 10-ptr and then wait until the pickup arrives to your stand with photographers and plenty of ranch hands?
I agree about the cargo pants. Wouldn't hunt without them.
One of the places I'm hunting now is a half-mile walk in, so leaving kill stuff in the truck would not be feasible as it would lead to a mile walk just to go and get it. The game cart is helpful in most areas but it can be burdensome if the terrain is bad. Most of this is done in the dark as I hunt mostly in the late afternoons. All of it sucks. The deer has to come out in bags. It would be even more of a nightmare trying to get a whole deer back and into the Blazer.
I guess if it was easy then everyone would do it, right?
17.) bluecat - 11/01/2019
I tried to find that post but searching forums is a PITA. Anything under Advanced Search yields 0 results. Those things never work.
I think it was someone who had a pack and the threads were pulling through so the guy tried to fix it himself. It didn't work so he wanted Badlands to fix it and they refused because the guy had already tried. It was something like that. It was petty.
I think it was someone who had a pack and the threads were pulling through so the guy tried to fix it himself. It didn't work so he wanted Badlands to fix it and they refused because the guy had already tried. It was something like that. It was petty.
18.) bluecat - 11/01/2019
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59409][I]Your pack is heavy, your belt is tight,
Your balls are swingin' from left to right ...
Left, Left, Left Right Left ... [/I][/QUOTE]
Haiku form
[I]Pack is heavy, belt is tight
Balls are now swingin'
Hurrah, Left to Right[/I]
Your balls are swingin' from left to right ...
Left, Left, Left Right Left ... [/I][/QUOTE]
Haiku form
[I]Pack is heavy, belt is tight
Balls are now swingin'
Hurrah, Left to Right[/I]
19.) DParker - 11/01/2019
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59407]Whoever first promoted the idea that you should be able to kill your deer and get it and all your gear out in one trip was obviously a sick, sick man, and not hunting how and where I (mostly) do.[/QUOTE]
I think the thing that made me feel the most like a lazy-ass was this episode of Tred Barta's show (remember Tred?) where he and another guy have to get a bull moose out of the beaver pond it went down in, then make multiple trips to pack it out using a canoe that they had to portage between ponds.
[video=youtube;SojUBcjc-Eo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SojUBcjc-Eo[/video]
I think the thing that made me feel the most like a lazy-ass was this episode of Tred Barta's show (remember Tred?) where he and another guy have to get a bull moose out of the beaver pond it went down in, then make multiple trips to pack it out using a canoe that they had to portage between ponds.
[video=youtube;SojUBcjc-Eo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SojUBcjc-Eo[/video]
20.) bluecat - 11/01/2019
I think I dislocated my shoulder watching that.
21.) bluecat - 11/02/2019
That was a nice video.
22.) bluecat - 11/02/2019
One thing I can't wrap my head around is how they moved that moose any distance with that small diameter rope.
23.) DParker - 11/03/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59417]One thing I can't wrap my head around is how they moved that moose any distance with that small diameter rope.[/QUOTE]
That's what [i]she[/i] said!
That's what [i]she[/i] said!
24.) Swamp Fox - 11/03/2019
LOL ....
[QUOTE]"You know what it's like for me at my age? it's like paddlin' a canoe with a rope ..." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"You know what it's like for me at my age? it's like paddlin' a canoe with a rope ..." [/QUOTE]
25.) Swamp Fox - 11/03/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59411]lol ^^^^^^^^^^^
You mean, you don't radio the ranch and let them know you've just downed a giant 10-ptr and then wait until the pickup arrives to your stand with photographers and plenty of ranch hands?
I agree about the cargo pants. Wouldn't hunt without them.
One of the places I'm hunting now is a half-mile walk in, so leaving kill stuff in the truck would not be feasible as it would lead to a mile walk just to go and get it. The game cart is helpful in most areas but it can be burdensome if the terrain is bad. Most of this is done in the dark as I hunt mostly in the late afternoons. All of it sucks. The deer has to come out in bags. It would be even more of a nightmare trying to get a whole deer back and into the Blazer.
I guess if it was easy then everyone would do it, right?[/QUOTE]
Ach .... It doesn't take that long to walk a mile round-trip ...If you've got all day/night. But since nobody's waiting on me with a rolling pin when I get home late, my concept of time might be different from yours. :wink
You mean, you don't radio the ranch and let them know you've just downed a giant 10-ptr and then wait until the pickup arrives to your stand with photographers and plenty of ranch hands?
I agree about the cargo pants. Wouldn't hunt without them.
One of the places I'm hunting now is a half-mile walk in, so leaving kill stuff in the truck would not be feasible as it would lead to a mile walk just to go and get it. The game cart is helpful in most areas but it can be burdensome if the terrain is bad. Most of this is done in the dark as I hunt mostly in the late afternoons. All of it sucks. The deer has to come out in bags. It would be even more of a nightmare trying to get a whole deer back and into the Blazer.
I guess if it was easy then everyone would do it, right?[/QUOTE]
Ach .... It doesn't take that long to walk a mile round-trip ...If you've got all day/night. But since nobody's waiting on me with a rolling pin when I get home late, my concept of time might be different from yours. :wink
26.) Swamp Fox - 11/04/2019
Same concept: ... LOL
27.) Swamp Fox - 11/04/2019
28.) bluecat - 11/05/2019
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59407]Random thoughts:
A fanny pack worn in the front is your friend.
[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you guys walk around with those things...
A fanny pack worn in the front is your friend.
[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you guys walk around with those things...
29.) Swamp Fox - 11/05/2019
30.) Swamp Fox - 11/05/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59417]One thing I can't wrap my head around is how they moved that moose any distance with that small diameter rope.[/QUOTE]
It's not the girth of the rope...
It's the mirth of the dope.
It's not the girth of the rope...
It's the mirth of the dope.
31.) bluecat - 11/07/2019
It's a simple question of weight ratios.
32.) Swamp Fox - 11/07/2019
[url]https://shirt.woot.com/offers/a-simple-question-of-weight-ratios[/url]
[QUOTE]I’m Never Going To Win The Science Fair Now
1st place in Derby #158: Physics, with 1131 votes!
How am I supposed to get a blue ribbon on this project if these stupid swallows keep dying on me? If one’s not croakin’ from exhaustion, another one’s being crushed under the weight of the coconut! I’ve been through thirty of the things and all I’ve proven is that a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times per second. Ugh. At this rate, Jimmy McGillicuddy’s stupid time-traveling car experiment is going to win for sure. I guess I can kiss Harvard goodbye.
Hmm. Maybe I can convince that guy at the pet shop that he sold me dead swallows. There's no reason this project has to be a total loss.
Wear this shirt: on the count of three. No more, no less.
Don’t wear this shirt: on the count of four, nor on the count of two, unless you are then proceeding to three. Five is right out.
This shirt tells the world: “Sure, an African swallow could do it. But then, of course, African swallows are non-migratory.”
We call this color: Blue. NO, BROWN! AHHHHHHhhhhh![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I’m Never Going To Win The Science Fair Now
1st place in Derby #158: Physics, with 1131 votes!
How am I supposed to get a blue ribbon on this project if these stupid swallows keep dying on me? If one’s not croakin’ from exhaustion, another one’s being crushed under the weight of the coconut! I’ve been through thirty of the things and all I’ve proven is that a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times per second. Ugh. At this rate, Jimmy McGillicuddy’s stupid time-traveling car experiment is going to win for sure. I guess I can kiss Harvard goodbye.
Hmm. Maybe I can convince that guy at the pet shop that he sold me dead swallows. There's no reason this project has to be a total loss.
Wear this shirt: on the count of three. No more, no less.
Don’t wear this shirt: on the count of four, nor on the count of two, unless you are then proceeding to three. Five is right out.
This shirt tells the world: “Sure, an African swallow could do it. But then, of course, African swallows are non-migratory.”
We call this color: Blue. NO, BROWN! AHHHHHHhhhhh![/QUOTE]
33.) bluecat - 11/07/2019
:applause:
34.) bluecat - 11/07/2019
Anybody have a quiver that's worth mentioning? The one I have is a two-piece. I like them because it doesn't mess with the site. But this pos only grabs the arrows on one-end and then uses the arrow in the foam as the second attachment point. The hood doesn't even cover all of the broadhead. So the arrow is constantly loose and you have to be careful not to cut yourself.
Outstanding
Outstanding
35.) Swamp Fox - 11/07/2019
I've shot quiver-off almost my entire career, so I might not be much help. But I'm sure you can add a third attachment point and a deeper hood easily if you look around.
If I were looking for a new quiver, I would look at Kwikee (naturally), TreeLimb, Soft Loc and TightSpot. As far as I can tell, everyone else is just excess noise. I have long experience with each of them except the TightSpot, and they do the job. No major complaints.
By the way, do not visit TheTightSpot.com unless you're feeling frisky. :wink
But don't let me stop you ... :shh::p
If I were looking for a new quiver, I would look at Kwikee (naturally), TreeLimb, Soft Loc and TightSpot. As far as I can tell, everyone else is just excess noise. I have long experience with each of them except the TightSpot, and they do the job. No major complaints.
By the way, do not visit TheTightSpot.com unless you're feeling frisky. :wink
But don't let me stop you ... :shh::p
36.) DParker - 11/07/2019
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59429][url]https://shirt.woot.com/offers/a-simple-question-of-weight-ratios[/url][/QUOTE]
{right-click}Save As...
{right-click}Save As...
37.) DParker - 11/07/2019
A few years ago my wife and son gave me the two-piece Octane quiver. It had a magnet in the hood that held the arrows in place rather than foam. The problem was that they had an engineering/manufacturing defect with the aluminum part that attached each half to the bow that caused them to just sheer right off when you tried to tighten them down at all. I contacted Octane and they acknowledged the problem, saying it was an issue with one of their suppliers, but that it had since been worked out. They sent me replacements for the failed parts...and the replacements promptly failed in exactly the same way. A shame, really, as I really liked everything else about the quiver.
38.) Swamp Fox - 11/07/2019
[QUOTE=DParker;59433]{right-click}Save As...[/QUOTE]
The website: It is a silly place ....
The website: It is a silly place ....
39.) Swamp Fox - 11/07/2019
[QUOTE=DParker;59433]{right-click}Save As...[/QUOTE]
Sure :wink... You know it was[QUOTE]TheTightSpot {right click} Save As...[/QUOTE]
[What does that even mean?? .... ]
LOL
Sure :wink... You know it was[QUOTE]TheTightSpot {right click} Save As...[/QUOTE]
[What does that even mean?? .... ]
LOL
40.) DParker - 11/07/2019
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59436]Sure :wink... You know it was
[What does that even mean?? .... ]
LOL[/QUOTE]
It means I clicked the right button on my mouse while hovering the cursor over the line you posted, then selected "Save As..." from the pop-up menu in order to save the link on my PC.
[What does that even mean?? .... ]
LOL[/QUOTE]
It means I clicked the right button on my mouse while hovering the cursor over the line you posted, then selected "Save As..." from the pop-up menu in order to save the link on my PC.
41.) Swamp Fox - 11/08/2019
LOL ... Okay. :wink
42.) Swamp Fox - 11/08/2019
I asked a stupid question ....
LOL
LOL
43.) Swamp Fox - 11/08/2019
[url]https://www.tightspotquiver.com/products[/url]
44.) Swamp Fox - 11/08/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59411]
You mean, you don't radio the ranch and let them know you've just downed a giant 10-ptr and then wait until the pickup arrives to your stand with photographers and plenty of ranch hands?
[/QUOTE]
What is this thing you call a radio? I have 5G and 5 bars on my thousand dollar phone (as I should), which completely fascinates me during those long sits in the stand (as it should) because in addition to the apps and the social media I can diddle with while waiting for something interesting to happen, I can also make a phone call without needing a dime.
You mean, you don't radio the ranch and let them know you've just downed a giant 10-ptr and then wait until the pickup arrives to your stand with photographers and plenty of ranch hands?
[/QUOTE]
What is this thing you call a radio? I have 5G and 5 bars on my thousand dollar phone (as I should), which completely fascinates me during those long sits in the stand (as it should) because in addition to the apps and the social media I can diddle with while waiting for something interesting to happen, I can also make a phone call without needing a dime.
45.) bluecat - 11/08/2019
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59441][url]https://www.tightspotquiver.com/products[/url][/QUOTE]
I like these. Going to investigate further.
I like these. Going to investigate further.
46.) bluecat - 11/09/2019
I wish their website had some clearer pictures on how the quiver is attached.
47.) Swamp Fox - 11/09/2019
What are you trying to figure out?
48.) bluecat - 11/10/2019
I need to see how it attaches to riser. I've got a dovetail site. They have a small pic.
49.) bluecat - 11/10/2019
I really don't like one piece quivers as it moves site over.
50.) Swamp Fox - 11/10/2019
Prolly best to call them. I haven't found much that's too helpful on youtube, etc.
Since I shoot mostly sliders, I have my own problems. LOL
I hunt mostly from fixed positions, but to give myself spot-and-stalk or still-hunting options, my solutions have never been to hunt quiver-on.... It's always been some other contraption...
So I guess you could say my answer made no sense, you award me no points, and May God Have Mercy On My Soul ....
Since I shoot mostly sliders, I have my own problems. LOL
I hunt mostly from fixed positions, but to give myself spot-and-stalk or still-hunting options, my solutions have never been to hunt quiver-on.... It's always been some other contraption...
So I guess you could say my answer made no sense, you award me no points, and May God Have Mercy On My Soul ....
51.) Swamp Fox - 11/12/2019
....
52.) bluecat - 11/12/2019
Success in Nebraska. More to come.
53.) Swamp Fox - 11/12/2019
Corngrats!
54.) bluecat - 11/27/2019
My Rocky pack has some seam problems with it so I'm having to make my decision quicker than I had anticipated. I can't fault the pack, it's been faithful for 20+ years.
I bought an Eberlestock X2 with an internal frame. Will get a chance to use it this weekend. I can say this, it is well built and feels fantastic. I've always wanted a framed pack so here we go.
I bought an Eberlestock X2 with an internal frame. Will get a chance to use it this weekend. I can say this, it is well built and feels fantastic. I've always wanted a framed pack so here we go.
55.) Swamp Fox - 11/28/2019
:tu:
Will be interested in hearing your run-down when you have a few miles on it.
Will be interested in hearing your run-down when you have a few miles on it.
56.) crookedeye - 12/01/2019
I'm thinking about getting some type of skinning device...
57.) crookedeye - 12/01/2019
I wonder if luv2 got a deer this year..
58.) crookedeye - 12/01/2019
I put a bunch of scent down this year..tarsal and doe stuff?..the deer I shot come after me...luckily I was quick on the draw...it was either me or him..
59.) crookedeye - 12/01/2019
Besides Alex is 52.. dam that's old.
60.) crookedeye - 12/01/2019
8 more yrs you be 60...
61.) crookedeye - 12/01/2019
That's something to look forward too.
62.) crookedeye - 12/01/2019
I remember Alex when he was just a kid..
63.) crookedeye - 12/01/2019
An up and comer
64.) billy b - 12/01/2019
Who are you talking to??
65.) crookedeye - 12/01/2019
Billy this is real Bigfoot stuff
66.) billy b - 12/01/2019
Come down here, I have some pigs that need to be eradicated, I already killed two.
67.) crookedeye - 12/02/2019
If Dano comes down I'll come down there
68.) crookedeye - 12/02/2019
I'm afraid to come by myself
69.) billy b - 12/02/2019
Dano's not gonna come down here, he hunts all over the world now.
70.) Swamp Fox - 12/04/2019
[QUOTE=crookedeye;59554]I'm afraid to come by myself[/QUOTE]
Hook up with Luv2 .... He's skeered, too ...
Together, you would make an awesome team ... LOL
Hook up with Luv2 .... He's skeered, too ...
Together, you would make an awesome team ... LOL
71.) bluecat - 12/11/2019
The bowshop about 25 miles from my house has ordered me the TightSpot quiver with dual grippers but am under no obligation if it doesn't fit my sight situation.
72.) DParker - 12/11/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59605]The bowshop about 25 miles from my house has ordered me the TightSpot quiver with dual grippers but am under no obligation if it doesn't fit my sight situation.[/QUOTE]
I take it that's the 5 arrow model?
I take it that's the 5 arrow model?
73.) bluecat - 12/11/2019
Yes. Don't know if they had to order the 2nd gripper extra.
74.) bluecat - 12/11/2019
The owner was telling me you can remove the foam too and broadhead still seats correctly.
75.) Swamp Fox - 12/11/2019
[QUOTE=bluecat;59605]The bowshop about 25 miles from my house has ordered me the TightSpot quiver with dual grippers but am under no obligation if it doesn't fit my sight situation.[/QUOTE]
I always figure I'm on the hook for at least a 12-pack of decent beer if I'm going to be a pain in the ass ... LOL ../ :wink ... :p
I always figure I'm on the hook for at least a 12-pack of decent beer if I'm going to be a pain in the ass ... LOL ../ :wink ... :p
76.) bluecat - 12/11/2019
Check this out
Two grippers, 2-piece so it doesn't conflict with sights, hood covers broadhead completely
Two grippers, 2-piece so it doesn't conflict with sights, hood covers broadhead completely
77.) bluecat - 12/11/2019
Now look at a later (more improved model)
POS
POS
78.) Swamp Fox - 12/12/2019
That's what BZ would call a disimprovement ...
:-)
:-)
79.) bluecat - 01/16/2020
Going to pick up my new quiver tonight. More on that later. I was going to say, I'm going to pick up my TightSpot tonight, but then I'd be walking right into one of DParker's little quips.
Any of you ladies have any experience with pistol lights? Don't want a laser, just a bright light that will attach to pistol - simpler is better, switch for on and off...for a friend I know.
Any of you ladies have any experience with pistol lights? Don't want a laser, just a bright light that will attach to pistol - simpler is better, switch for on and off...for a friend I know.
80.) DParker - 01/16/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59831]I was going to say, I'm going to pick up my TightSpot tonight, but then I'd be walking right into one of DParker's little quips.[/QUOTE]
I never get to have [I]any[/I] fun. *kicks a rock*
[QUOTE=bluecat;59831]Any of you ladies have any experience with pistol lights? Don't want a laser, just a bright light that will attach to pistol - simpler is better, switch for on and off...for a friend I know.[/QUOTE]
I've had a basic Streamlight TLR-1 (I say "basic" because they offer quite a few variants) mounted to my M&P9 for about 8 or so years now, and I'm pretty happy with it. It's still using the original CR123 batteries I put in it when I first bought it, and is still blindingly bright. It's rugged, and the rocker switch (which has "Off", "On" and "Momentary" positions) is ambidextrous and easily manipulated with your trigger finger. It's a bit larger than some other currently available options, but since I only have it mounted when at home that's not an issue.
I never get to have [I]any[/I] fun. *kicks a rock*
[QUOTE=bluecat;59831]Any of you ladies have any experience with pistol lights? Don't want a laser, just a bright light that will attach to pistol - simpler is better, switch for on and off...for a friend I know.[/QUOTE]
I've had a basic Streamlight TLR-1 (I say "basic" because they offer quite a few variants) mounted to my M&P9 for about 8 or so years now, and I'm pretty happy with it. It's still using the original CR123 batteries I put in it when I first bought it, and is still blindingly bright. It's rugged, and the rocker switch (which has "Off", "On" and "Momentary" positions) is ambidextrous and easily manipulated with your trigger finger. It's a bit larger than some other currently available options, but since I only have it mounted when at home that's not an issue.
81.) bluecat - 01/16/2020
Great, I thought that Streamlight would come up. Does this pretty much mount to any pistol (with underside mounting capability of course)? In other words, I could put this on any pistol that accepts lights? I know there are certain rails. Couldn't tell you what the rail is on a Glock right now.
What is momentary?
What is cost?
What is momentary?
What is cost?
82.) DParker - 01/16/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59833]Great, I thought that Streamlight would come up. Does this pretty much mount to any pistol (with underside mounting capability of course)? In other words, I could put this on any pistol that accepts lights? I know there are certain rails. Couldn't tell you what the rail is on a Glock right now.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it requires either a Picatinny or Glock rail (Glock has their own proprietary rail, of course) on the underside of the frame in front of the trigger guard, and comes with hardware for using either.
[QUOTE=bluecat;59833]What is momentary?[/QUOTE]
That means that when you take your finger off the switch it returns to the "Off" position and the light deactivates. That's as opposed to the "On" position, which stays in that position (with the light activated) even after you remove your finger from the switch. If you shoot right-handed, you simply push the switch up for "Momentary" and down for "On". That's reversed if you're shooting southpaw.
[QUOTE=bluecat;59833]What is cost?[/QUOTE]
That's how much money you have to pay in order to buy something.
I kid! I kid!
I see it on Amazon for ~$118 right now. But I'm sure you can pick it up cheaper if you look/wait for sales.
Yes, it requires either a Picatinny or Glock rail (Glock has their own proprietary rail, of course) on the underside of the frame in front of the trigger guard, and comes with hardware for using either.
[QUOTE=bluecat;59833]What is momentary?[/QUOTE]
That means that when you take your finger off the switch it returns to the "Off" position and the light deactivates. That's as opposed to the "On" position, which stays in that position (with the light activated) even after you remove your finger from the switch. If you shoot right-handed, you simply push the switch up for "Momentary" and down for "On". That's reversed if you're shooting southpaw.
[QUOTE=bluecat;59833]What is cost?[/QUOTE]
That's how much money you have to pay in order to buy something.
I kid! I kid!
I see it on Amazon for ~$118 right now. But I'm sure you can pick it up cheaper if you look/wait for sales.
83.) bluecat - 01/16/2020
[QUOTE=DParker;59834]
That's how much money you have to pay in order to buy something.
[/QUOTE]
I'll turn this car around!
Thanks for your help.
That's how much money you have to pay in order to buy something.
[/QUOTE]
I'll turn this car around!
Thanks for your help.
84.) DParker - 01/16/2020
[video=youtube;VOmD-xqK2Es]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOmD-xqK2Es[/video]
85.) bluecat - 01/16/2020
I thought of that reference when I read your comeback. Too funny. fyi, paybacks are hell.
86.) Swamp Fox - 01/17/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59837] fyi, paybacks are hell.[/QUOTE]
You speak jive?
You speak jive?
87.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59833]
...What is cost?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DParker;59834]...That's how much money you have to pay in order to buy something.
[/QUOTE]
Akshully (:wink), "cost" is the difference--if any--between price and value.
LOL ... :wave:
...What is cost?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DParker;59834]...That's how much money you have to pay in order to buy something.
[/QUOTE]
Akshully (:wink), "cost" is the difference--if any--between price and value.
LOL ... :wave:
88.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
DP, do you know how many lumens your light is? I see some at 300 and some at 800. Don't know if I would need that much.
"Give me all your Lumens."
"Give me all your Lumens."
89.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
[QUOTE]"It's better to have the lumens and not need them, than to need the lumens and not have them." --- Lorna Doone [/QUOTE] ......
90.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
Well, shit ... Now since your edit, my post doesn't make sense unless you think harder ... Not sure this is the place for that ... LOL ...
"Give me all your lupins ..."
LOL
"Give me all your lupins ..."
LOL
91.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
In a bunch!
92.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
Btw, I picked up the Tightspot last night. It's the cat's pajamas. I'll post my pic on Monday.
Do cats even wear pajamas?
Do cats even wear pajamas?
93.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
Lorne is a very smart person and males good cookies too.
94.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59846]Btw, I picked up the Tightspot last night. It's the cat's pajamas. I'll post my pic on Monday.
Do cats even wear pajamas?[/QUOTE]
Johnny Carson pet a cat in his pajamas .... Not sure what it was doing in his pajamas, though ...
Do cats even wear pajamas?[/QUOTE]
Johnny Carson pet a cat in his pajamas .... Not sure what it was doing in his pajamas, though ...
95.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
I heard he also wanted to pet Raquel's cat too.
96.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
Ho! :shocked::shh::p
97.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
But not as hot as her sister Briga.
98.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
99.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
LOL ....
100.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
Swampy take your meds.
101.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
Oh, come on! :p
Robert Goulet in Brigadoon? ! ?
Best casting ever!
Robert Goulet in Brigadoon? ! ?
Best casting ever!
102.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
Sorry, the only time I saw Brigadoon was an outdoor performance on a hot sweaty mosquito night in Lincoln NE and couldn't hear the performers. Robert was not in the cast.
103.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
If you try to watch the outdooor play [I]The Lost Colony[/I], about one of the first English settlements in America, you will meet NC's friendly mosquitoes, lol
[QUOTE]Crystal B, Public Relations Manager at The Lost Colony, responded to this review
Responded May 29, 2018
Thank you for leaving us a review, we're so happy you and your family enjoyed our site and the show, and that you weren't carried off by our friendly mosquitoes. Come visit us again soon![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Because of tensions with local Native Americans, the first Raleigh-sponsored settlement on Roanoke Island lasted only a short period (1585–86). The next year approximately 100 settlers under Gov. John White attempted to colonize the same site. White went back to England to get supplies but was delayed by the Spanish Armada. By the time he returned to the island in August 1590, everyone had vanished. The only trace of the “Lost Colony” was the word CROATOAN carved on a post of the palisade erected by the settlers and the letters CRO on a tree. The group may have been annihilated by hostile Native Americans or may have joined a friendly tribe. In any event, the mystery of the Lost Colony has never been solved. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
The group may have been annihilated by hostile Native Americans or may have joined a friendly tribe.[/QUOTE] ---Pull my finger.
[QUOTE]Crystal B, Public Relations Manager at The Lost Colony, responded to this review
Responded May 29, 2018
Thank you for leaving us a review, we're so happy you and your family enjoyed our site and the show, and that you weren't carried off by our friendly mosquitoes. Come visit us again soon![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Because of tensions with local Native Americans, the first Raleigh-sponsored settlement on Roanoke Island lasted only a short period (1585–86). The next year approximately 100 settlers under Gov. John White attempted to colonize the same site. White went back to England to get supplies but was delayed by the Spanish Armada. By the time he returned to the island in August 1590, everyone had vanished. The only trace of the “Lost Colony” was the word CROATOAN carved on a post of the palisade erected by the settlers and the letters CRO on a tree. The group may have been annihilated by hostile Native Americans or may have joined a friendly tribe. In any event, the mystery of the Lost Colony has never been solved. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
The group may have been annihilated by hostile Native Americans or may have joined a friendly tribe.[/QUOTE] ---Pull my finger.
104.) DParker - 01/18/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59841]DP, do you know how many lumens your light is? I see some at 300 and some at 800. Don't know if I would need that much.
"Give me all your Lumens."[/QUOTE]
Mine, being the "basic" TLR-1 (it was the only version available when I bought it) is 300 lumens, which is more than bright enough for indoor use. The "HL" variant delivers 800 lumens, and some others might as well.
"Give me all your Lumens."[/QUOTE]
Mine, being the "basic" TLR-1 (it was the only version available when I bought it) is 300 lumens, which is more than bright enough for indoor use. The "HL" variant delivers 800 lumens, and some others might as well.
105.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
[url]https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g60755-d1948078-r583478587-The_Lost_Colony-Manteo_Roanoke_Island_Outer_Banks_North_Carolina.html[/url]
[url]https://www.britannica.com/place/Lost-Colony[/url]
[url]https://www.britannica.com/place/Lost-Colony[/url]
106.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
You had me at gun fire. Lol
107.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
That's what it's all about!
:grin:
:grin:
108.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
You put your left foot in ...
You take your left foot out ...
You take your left foot out ...
109.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
+ 3 for the hokie pokie reference.
110.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
Oh, thank gawd... I've been waiting to use that for like a year ...
LOL
:wink
LOL
:wink
111.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
Biden does it daily.
112.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
C'mon, man!
113.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
For the love of God Swampy, this is a family site.
114.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
What??
Uncle Joe is family...
...:tap::re:
Uncle Joe is family...
...:tap::re:
115.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
So you're okay with him sniffing your hair?
116.) bluecat - 01/18/2020
A Pontiac? Lol
117.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
I'm young and I need the money ...
118.) Swamp Fox - 01/18/2020
This thread is a hoot, if anyone reads it ...
119.) crookedeye - 01/19/2020
I bought a Hoyt the other day axius or something like that..for turkeys I'm buying the stake out blind from primos and maybe a breeding hen. I should be set for the rest of my life
120.) billy b - 01/19/2020
Just don't get caught breeding the hen:td:
121.) crookedeye - 01/19/2020
[QUOTE=billy b;59877]Just don't et caught breeding the hen:td:[/QUOTE]
Billy who you talking to? You no I'm the best crappie fisherman in the midwestern states..
Billy who you talking to? You no I'm the best crappie fisherman in the midwestern states..
122.) bluecat - 01/20/2020
[QUOTE=billy b;59877]Just don't et caught breeding the hen:td:[/QUOTE]
+ 3 , lol
+ 3 , lol
123.) bluecat - 01/20/2020
[QUOTE=crookedeye;59876]I bought a Hoyt the other day axius or something like that..for turkeys I'm buying the stake out blind from primos and maybe a breeding hen. I should be set for the rest of my life[/QUOTE]
Don't forget your HECS suit.
Don't forget your HECS suit.
124.) crookedeye - 01/20/2020
the hecs suit are always somthing we should consider
125.) crookedeye - 01/20/2020
i foget the spray in the red can..but it kinda smells like vanilla...i believe in that stuff
126.) crookedeye - 01/20/2020
i made mock scrapesw this year just like every year.. i love using scents
127.) bluecat - 01/21/2020
I wear the HECS suit when I want to take an uninterrupted nap. We have a camo couch downstairs and if I wear camo and a HECS suit my wife can't detect me. I can hear her roaming around with her list of honey-dos or maybe a jar that needs to be opened and she gets really close but as long as I stay still she moves on continuing to call my name.
The suit interupts their husband detection radar.
The suit interupts their husband detection radar.
128.) DParker - 01/21/2020
I hear it protects you from the ill-effects of chemtrails too.
129.) bluecat - 01/21/2020
So, here is the new quiver. Very impressed with the quality. Two grippers, one of them is adjustable for tightness, hood covers broadhead, easy installation, quick release, completely out of the way of sight, no foam, holds 5 arrows, impressive guarantee.
Thanks for your suggestion.
130.) DParker - 01/22/2020
And a nice looking bow overall. I'm starting to need a new quiver myself, so I'm going to keep this one in mind.
131.) Swamp Fox - 01/24/2020
:tu: .....
132.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
So my light came in, it fits perfectly. Three hundred lumens is plenty bright. Does yours have a strobe? The manual says it does however I'm not able to activate it. I thought that maybe it was disabled but I'm not getting any confirmation at all.
133.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59894] Three hundred lumens is plenty bright. Does yours have a strobe? [/QUOTE]
So it's got a good beam but you can't dance to it?
So it's got a good beam but you can't dance to it?
134.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59894]So my light came in, it fits perfectly. Three hundred lumens is plenty bright. Does yours have a strobe? The manual says it does however I'm not able to activate it. I thought that maybe it was disabled but I'm not getting any confirmation at all.[/QUOTE]
So it's got a good beam but you can't dance to it?
So it's got a good beam but you can't dance to it?
135.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
Lol, we'll sure.
136.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
While you're on the horn, any pooper bowl predictions.
137.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2020
I haven't liked KC since they beat my Vikings in Super Bowl IV (!) --- 1970 was a good year otherwise, as far as I can remember, LOL, but that left a scar.
No great love for San Fran, though.
I haven't seen either team play this year, but it sounds like the game has promise. Who I pull for might be decided by the cheerleader factor .... Wait ...
No great love for San Fran, though.
I haven't seen either team play this year, but it sounds like the game has promise. Who I pull for might be decided by the cheerleader factor .... Wait ...
138.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2020
[url]https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article238998188.html[/url]
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197001110kan.htm[/url]
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197001110kan.htm[/url]
139.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
We might need a cheerleader showdown.
140.) DParker - 01/26/2020
No strobe functionality on mine. Did you get the plain TLR-1, or one of the variants?
141.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
Deplane, deplane
142.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
Okay, I misread the manual. The sentence was the TS-1@s, the... I mistook that as possessive. No worries. Love the light. Thanks for your suggestion.
143.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
The s stands for strobe.
144.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
Swampy, you need to move on. You can't let a game cripple you like it did Joe Kapp.
145.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2020
LOL ...
He was/is a tough S.O.B...
He was/is a tough S.O.B...
146.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2020
I wonder who Elizabeth Warren is rooting for?
147.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2020
Somebody should ask her .... LOL
148.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2020
So, who's shot a new bow in the last few years?
Not me, LOL.
I think the last bow I tried was the Mathews Heli-M (sp?), which I liked feelz-wise, but I was just out kicking tires and not in the market. Besides, it had that gawd-awful waffle riser, which I see they phased out starting in 2016, thank goodness. So now I can put a toe back in the water.
[Before I forget, there used to be a section on the Mathews site with pics and specs of discontinued bows going back to the Creation but I don't see it now....also other stuff like cam charts and that sort of thing. Did I miss it, or can anyone point me to that material? --I do have the cam chart but am looking for everything else.]
Let's start it off with the Halon and the little-mentioned Z3. Impressions? First- hand experience? Rumors or flat-out malarkey?
I'm looking to pile up a list of bows that won't take my arm off that I can keep an eye out for if they fall out the back of a truck or something. I tend to like bows in the 32-34-inch range with longer brace heights but I'm not married to the concept. I can shoot some shorter/racier bows better than I thought I could. As I drop draw-weight, speed becomes a more important factor for me than it used to be. But I stilll insist on a bow that's fun to shoot.
I watched a video of Lee Lakosky shooting the new VCR or VHS or XJC or whatever it is and he's actually grimacing as he pulls back on a huge droptine, LOL. Granted,, he was seated in a box blind and that can be an awkward way to draw, but it didn't look all that easy to start and get back even on the upright shots. All the reviews say it's a "smooth draw" though, LOL.
Anyhoo, bang away if you have something to say...
Not me, LOL.
I think the last bow I tried was the Mathews Heli-M (sp?), which I liked feelz-wise, but I was just out kicking tires and not in the market. Besides, it had that gawd-awful waffle riser, which I see they phased out starting in 2016, thank goodness. So now I can put a toe back in the water.
[Before I forget, there used to be a section on the Mathews site with pics and specs of discontinued bows going back to the Creation but I don't see it now....also other stuff like cam charts and that sort of thing. Did I miss it, or can anyone point me to that material? --I do have the cam chart but am looking for everything else.]
Let's start it off with the Halon and the little-mentioned Z3. Impressions? First- hand experience? Rumors or flat-out malarkey?
I'm looking to pile up a list of bows that won't take my arm off that I can keep an eye out for if they fall out the back of a truck or something. I tend to like bows in the 32-34-inch range with longer brace heights but I'm not married to the concept. I can shoot some shorter/racier bows better than I thought I could. As I drop draw-weight, speed becomes a more important factor for me than it used to be. But I stilll insist on a bow that's fun to shoot.
I watched a video of Lee Lakosky shooting the new VCR or VHS or XJC or whatever it is and he's actually grimacing as he pulls back on a huge droptine, LOL. Granted,, he was seated in a box blind and that can be an awkward way to draw, but it didn't look all that easy to start and get back even on the upright shots. All the reviews say it's a "smooth draw" though, LOL.
Anyhoo, bang away if you have something to say...
149.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
I don't know if I can offer a lot. It seems you can pick up some old new stock on Archery Talk sometimes for about half of original price. Also, as you know, people always dump their bows for the latest and greatest but sometimes the newer stuff tanks.
I shoot 60 pounds now and it is so enjoyable to shoot. I used to shoot 70.
New bow prices are so outrageous, that if I get another bow, I might go the "like new" route.
I shoot 60 pounds now and it is so enjoyable to shoot. I used to shoot 70.
New bow prices are so outrageous, that if I get another bow, I might go the "like new" route.
150.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
I also shoot longer axle bows. They are harder to find, but I like them and I think they shoot better.
151.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
...and leave race out of it...
152.) bluecat - 01/26/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59908]I wonder who Elizabeth Warren is rooting for?[/QUOTE]
Lol...
Lol...
153.) Swamp Fox - 01/27/2020
For a thousand bucks,I don't need a new bow. But I like to goof around with "'project bows" for this or that special niche "need" every once in a while. I enjoy rigging them and setting them up to my idea of the perfect rig for that use.
I've had good luck buying used bows, with one exception. As it happens, that exception suddenly exploded with a loud "Pow!" a year or two ago while hanging peacefully on a hook behind my desk. [[I]"Did you jump?" ---"Yeah, a little bit..." --- Punchline from a salty joke about parachuting ...[/I] LOL] so I'm thinking about rebuilding it from the ground up (or from the riser up) for grins and giggles. I'll have to learn a bunch of things and invest in some shop equipment though, so it's not happening anytime soon, LOL (I'm looking at you, Jon ... :-):wave:) But I do have my eye on a couple of ebay deals for bows I'd strip for parts.
I'd set it up in the the low-to-mid 50's and use it to chase turkeys without a blind (because my memory of exactly how frustrating that always was seems to be fading) and as a practice bow to ease into the big-boy bows after those periods of not shooting anything at all for a while, which seem to be longer and more frequent lately.
I've had good luck buying used bows, with one exception. As it happens, that exception suddenly exploded with a loud "Pow!" a year or two ago while hanging peacefully on a hook behind my desk. [[I]"Did you jump?" ---"Yeah, a little bit..." --- Punchline from a salty joke about parachuting ...[/I] LOL] so I'm thinking about rebuilding it from the ground up (or from the riser up) for grins and giggles. I'll have to learn a bunch of things and invest in some shop equipment though, so it's not happening anytime soon, LOL (I'm looking at you, Jon ... :-):wave:) But I do have my eye on a couple of ebay deals for bows I'd strip for parts.
I'd set it up in the the low-to-mid 50's and use it to chase turkeys without a blind (because my memory of exactly how frustrating that always was seems to be fading) and as a practice bow to ease into the big-boy bows after those periods of not shooting anything at all for a while, which seem to be longer and more frequent lately.
154.) bluecat - 01/27/2020
What are you trying to create?
155.) bluecat - 01/28/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59899]I haven't liked KC since they beat my Vikings in Super Bowl IV (!) --- 1970 was a good year otherwise, as far as I can remember, LOL, but that left a scar.
No great love for San Fran, though.
I haven't seen either team play this year, but it sounds like the game has promise. Who I pull for might be decided by the cheerleader factor .... Wait ...[/QUOTE]
There's always the puppy bowl. I hear that they'll have cats this year.
No great love for San Fran, though.
I haven't seen either team play this year, but it sounds like the game has promise. Who I pull for might be decided by the cheerleader factor .... Wait ...[/QUOTE]
There's always the puppy bowl. I hear that they'll have cats this year.
156.) Swamp Fox - 01/28/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59917]What are you trying to create?[/QUOTE]
I'll explain later when I have more time to untangle my twisted thinking on the digital page. Not a Frankenbow, though ... Just a rebuild of Bow A with parts from Bow B.
I figure the original riser can't be my problem ( ... :dig: .... LOL) but anything else could be ...
I'll explain later when I have more time to untangle my twisted thinking on the digital page. Not a Frankenbow, though ... Just a rebuild of Bow A with parts from Bow B.
I figure the original riser can't be my problem ( ... :dig: .... LOL) but anything else could be ...
157.) Swamp Fox - 01/28/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59918]There's always the puppy bowl. I hear that they'll have cats this year.[/QUOTE]
Weren't the last one or two superbowls snoozefests re the ads? Didn't watch the last one but that's the impression I have. Might apply to the previous as well, which I think I did see.
Weren't the last one or two superbowls snoozefests re the ads? Didn't watch the last one but that's the impression I have. Might apply to the previous as well, which I think I did see.
158.) bluecat - 01/29/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59919]I'll explain later when I have more time to untangle my twisted thinking on the digital page. Not a Frankenbow, though ... Just a rebuild of Bow A with parts from Bow B.
I figure the original riser can't be my problem ( ... :dig: .... LOL) but anything else could be ...[/QUOTE]
You lost me. But I'm patient and will wait until you are ready to talk.
I figure the original riser can't be my problem ( ... :dig: .... LOL) but anything else could be ...[/QUOTE]
You lost me. But I'm patient and will wait until you are ready to talk.
159.) bluecat - 01/29/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59920]Weren't the last one or two superbowls snoozefests re the ads? Didn't watch the last one but that's the impression I have. Might apply to the previous as well, which I think I did see.[/QUOTE]
Actually the puppy bowls have been very entertaining...
Actually the puppy bowls have been very entertaining...
160.) Jon - 01/29/2020
Swampy, since you have only discussed one brand of bow, are you strictly looking only at Matthews?
If not, as always there are at least 10 manufacturers who make good stuff and good used stuff is always out there.
I've gone away from BowTech but not because they don't have good stuff, they sure do. I shot an Obsession a few years ago and fell in love with it. I also shoot 60lbs now and won't ever go back to 70, it just isn't needed for me.
I can't comment on anything to do with Archery talk, I ran away from that place about 5 years ago because it's impossible to get good advice there, everyone's dick is the biggest and everyone has the best bow in the world, **** those guys. Plus, you have to be a paid member to list anything, they can keep that cesspool.
I don't work on anyone's bows anymore, I have all my equipment and will work on my own stuff but lost the energy to mess with anyone elses.
If not, as always there are at least 10 manufacturers who make good stuff and good used stuff is always out there.
I've gone away from BowTech but not because they don't have good stuff, they sure do. I shot an Obsession a few years ago and fell in love with it. I also shoot 60lbs now and won't ever go back to 70, it just isn't needed for me.
I can't comment on anything to do with Archery talk, I ran away from that place about 5 years ago because it's impossible to get good advice there, everyone's dick is the biggest and everyone has the best bow in the world, **** those guys. Plus, you have to be a paid member to list anything, they can keep that cesspool.
I don't work on anyone's bows anymore, I have all my equipment and will work on my own stuff but lost the energy to mess with anyone elses.
161.) Swamp Fox - 01/30/2020
Not looking at just Mathews. Mentioned them because that's the only one I've even half-way kept up with the last several years. I have liked some Elite bows over the years, and a small number of Bowtechs. Have never handled an Obsession but I know some people really like them.
Just was curious who's made what in the last few years that might suit me. Sixty pounds or less, quiet, not an arm- ripper, fun to shoot, looks good (LOL) ... yada yada yada ...
Didn't know AT required membership for listing. That's disappointing. I've got a bunch of stuff I'd like to sell. Might be time to bring back Swampy's Swap Shop & Flea Market for the seven or eight of us who read here, LOL.
Just was curious who's made what in the last few years that might suit me. Sixty pounds or less, quiet, not an arm- ripper, fun to shoot, looks good (LOL) ... yada yada yada ...
Didn't know AT required membership for listing. That's disappointing. I've got a bunch of stuff I'd like to sell. Might be time to bring back Swampy's Swap Shop & Flea Market for the seven or eight of us who read here, LOL.
162.) Swamp Fox - 01/30/2020
182 users on line right now ... LOL
163.) Swamp Fox - 01/30/2020
[QUOTE=Jon;59923]
I don't work on anyone's bows anymore, I have all my equipment and will work on my own stuff but lost the energy to mess with anyone elses.[/QUOTE]
What do you like in new or used presses these days?
I don't work on anyone's bows anymore, I have all my equipment and will work on my own stuff but lost the energy to mess with anyone elses.[/QUOTE]
What do you like in new or used presses these days?
164.) Swamp Fox - 01/30/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59916]
I've had good luck buying used bows, with one exception [...] so I'm thinking about rebuilding it from the ground up (or from the riser up) for grins and giggles. [...] I do have my eye on a couple of ebay deals for bows I'd strip for parts.
I'd set it up in the the low-to-mid 50's and use it to chase turkeys without a blind (because my memory of exactly how frustrating that always was seems to be fading) and as a practice bow to ease into the big-boy bows after those periods of not shooting anything at all for a while, which seem to be longer and more frequent lately.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;59917]What are you trying to create?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59919]I'll explain later when I have more time to untangle my twisted thinking on the digital page. Not a Frankenbow, though ... Just a rebuild of Bow A with parts from Bow B.
I figure the original riser can't be my problem ( ... :dig: .... LOL) but anything else could be ...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;59921]You lost me. But I'm patient and will wait until you are ready to talk.[/QUOTE]
This used purchase went through every tuning trick it could including the best bow tech in the area, a complete tear-down, support from Mathews, flipping the limbs, etc. I finally got it to shoot decently with a dropaway pushed all the way back and very short arrows, LOL. I used to think twice every time I loaded the launcher :ek:
Since I have apparently permanently welded a very nice after-market grip on to the riser (this was before I knew that it really is important to know the differences in automotive adhesives, LOL) I am going to try to rebuild the new bow around the old riser just because I pathologically insist on doing things the hard way and never give up on anything until it is completely worn out or useless.
:omg:
:groan:
But what the hell ... I figure I'll learn something in the process.
I've had good luck buying used bows, with one exception [...] so I'm thinking about rebuilding it from the ground up (or from the riser up) for grins and giggles. [...] I do have my eye on a couple of ebay deals for bows I'd strip for parts.
I'd set it up in the the low-to-mid 50's and use it to chase turkeys without a blind (because my memory of exactly how frustrating that always was seems to be fading) and as a practice bow to ease into the big-boy bows after those periods of not shooting anything at all for a while, which seem to be longer and more frequent lately.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;59917]What are you trying to create?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59919]I'll explain later when I have more time to untangle my twisted thinking on the digital page. Not a Frankenbow, though ... Just a rebuild of Bow A with parts from Bow B.
I figure the original riser can't be my problem ( ... :dig: .... LOL) but anything else could be ...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;59921]You lost me. But I'm patient and will wait until you are ready to talk.[/QUOTE]
This used purchase went through every tuning trick it could including the best bow tech in the area, a complete tear-down, support from Mathews, flipping the limbs, etc. I finally got it to shoot decently with a dropaway pushed all the way back and very short arrows, LOL. I used to think twice every time I loaded the launcher :ek:
Since I have apparently permanently welded a very nice after-market grip on to the riser (this was before I knew that it really is important to know the differences in automotive adhesives, LOL) I am going to try to rebuild the new bow around the old riser just because I pathologically insist on doing things the hard way and never give up on anything until it is completely worn out or useless.
:omg:
:groan:
But what the hell ... I figure I'll learn something in the process.
165.) bluecat - 01/30/2020
You don't have to pay to list. I sell stuff on there all the time. You have to pay to advertise your business.
You can get some never used bows on there from some retailers (with warranty) that occasionally sell older stock (a year or so). They will list the model, the axle to axle, draw weight etc. For example a Hoyt Defiant would be around 700.00 and they listed for about 1200. It's whatever they have in stock and they aren't available all the time.
You can also pick up a Last Chance Archery Press pretty cheap through some of the retailers there. I have one and love it.
Like any forum, you quickly learn who is knowledgeable. There are several people on there that have taught me quite a bit about tuning. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
You can get some never used bows on there from some retailers (with warranty) that occasionally sell older stock (a year or so). They will list the model, the axle to axle, draw weight etc. For example a Hoyt Defiant would be around 700.00 and they listed for about 1200. It's whatever they have in stock and they aren't available all the time.
You can also pick up a Last Chance Archery Press pretty cheap through some of the retailers there. I have one and love it.
Like any forum, you quickly learn who is knowledgeable. There are several people on there that have taught me quite a bit about tuning. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
166.) Swamp Fox - 01/30/2020
Yeah, but do they ever publish any poetry? ....
LOL
LOL
167.) bluecat - 01/30/2020
+ 3 :-)
168.) bluecat - 01/30/2020
Archery Talk'n
Some dicks are big, some are not
Now go sell your stuff
Some dicks are big, some are not
Now go sell your stuff
169.) Jon - 01/31/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59928]You don't have to pay to list. I sell stuff on there all the time. You have to pay to advertise your business.
.[/QUOTE]
Evidently, if you own a business in the archery realm, you are advertising if you try to sell something. I was just a guy on AT, went by Jonnybow, didn't try to advertise at all, was trying to sell some left over parts. I got a message from "admin" that told me I'd have to become a paid member to sell. I told them to GFY, I'd never go back if this is how they treat a member who was there from the beginning. I think my membership number was 25. I'll never go back there, even to look in.
Swampy, I've honestly not looked at anything in the past few years new or used because my 4 year old Obsession is treating my great and I don't need a new bow.
Like always, I'd be starting fresh if I was in the market again and go shoot as many as I could. I'm also a 34" A-A guy so that alone narrows the field.
.[/QUOTE]
Evidently, if you own a business in the archery realm, you are advertising if you try to sell something. I was just a guy on AT, went by Jonnybow, didn't try to advertise at all, was trying to sell some left over parts. I got a message from "admin" that told me I'd have to become a paid member to sell. I told them to GFY, I'd never go back if this is how they treat a member who was there from the beginning. I think my membership number was 25. I'll never go back there, even to look in.
Swampy, I've honestly not looked at anything in the past few years new or used because my 4 year old Obsession is treating my great and I don't need a new bow.
Like always, I'd be starting fresh if I was in the market again and go shoot as many as I could. I'm also a 34" A-A guy so that alone narrows the field.
170.) ARCHERXP - 02/01/2020
Howdy all?
171.) Swamp Fox - 02/02/2020
Hey, Carlos! :wave:
172.) crookedeye - 02/03/2020
i always liked jonnybow as a company..
173.) crookedeye - 02/03/2020
who sets a pin at 10 yards? i do for turkey hunti
g..i kinda like it to shoot dime size targets in my basement..hopefully i wont use my 10 yaeds for 20 yards on a buck..
g..i kinda like it to shoot dime size targets in my basement..hopefully i wont use my 10 yaeds for 20 yards on a buck..
174.) Swamp Fox - 02/04/2020
Know where your shot goes at two or three yards, LOL.
I can usually set a 20-yard pin and shoot 10 fine, but it does take an adjustment for 2 to 3 or 5 yards.
I can usually set a 20-yard pin and shoot 10 fine, but it does take an adjustment for 2 to 3 or 5 yards.
175.) Swamp Fox - 02/04/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59928]
Like any forum, you quickly learn who is knowledgeable. There are several people on there that have taught me quite a bit about tuning. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59929]Yeah, but do they ever publish any poetry? ....
LOL[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;59931]Archery Talk'n
Some dicks are big, some are not
Now go sell your stuff[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=crookedeye;59937]i always liked jonnybow as a company..[/QUOTE]
[I]The Difference Is Real [/I]
---by Swamp Fox
[I]When it comes to big fun
BC's Number One,
Before BC 2, 3 and more.
But HC surpasses
--And with fewer jackasses--
AT for great giggles, and for rolls on the floor.
[/I]
.....
Like any forum, you quickly learn who is knowledgeable. There are several people on there that have taught me quite a bit about tuning. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59929]Yeah, but do they ever publish any poetry? ....
LOL[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;59931]Archery Talk'n
Some dicks are big, some are not
Now go sell your stuff[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=crookedeye;59937]i always liked jonnybow as a company..[/QUOTE]
[I]The Difference Is Real [/I]
---by Swamp Fox
[I]When it comes to big fun
BC's Number One,
Before BC 2, 3 and more.
But HC surpasses
--And with fewer jackasses--
AT for great giggles, and for rolls on the floor.
[/I]
.....
176.) Jon - 02/04/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59941]Know where your shot goes at two or three yards, LOL.
I can usually set a 20-yard pin and shoot 10 fine, but it does take an adjustment for 2 to 3 or 5 yards.[/QUOTE]
Lets say you have 20, 30 40 and 50yd pins on your bow that shoots 300FPS. You are shooting at a target that's 6' away (that's 2 yards for you from WV and NC). Which pin do you use?
I can usually set a 20-yard pin and shoot 10 fine, but it does take an adjustment for 2 to 3 or 5 yards.[/QUOTE]
Lets say you have 20, 30 40 and 50yd pins on your bow that shoots 300FPS. You are shooting at a target that's 6' away (that's 2 yards for you from WV and NC). Which pin do you use?
177.) bluecat - 02/04/2020
Do I need to show my work?
I just know that I need to raise the bow up to allow for the arrow that is sitting below sight. 50?
I just know that I need to raise the bow up to allow for the arrow that is sitting below sight. 50?
178.) DParker - 02/04/2020
[QUOTE=Jon;59954]You are shooting at a target that's 6' away (that's 2 yards for you from WV and NC). Which pin do you use?[/QUOTE]
From 6 ft I'll just swing my bow and club it to death.
From 6 ft I'll just swing my bow and club it to death.
179.) Jon - 02/04/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59956]Do I need to show my work?
I just know that I need to raise the bow up to allow for the arrow that is sitting below sight. 50?[/QUOTE]
Winner, you still might have to hold high. You'd be surprised how many people think you need to aim low with your 20 pin, I mean it's inside of 20 right?
I just know that I need to raise the bow up to allow for the arrow that is sitting below sight. 50?[/QUOTE]
Winner, you still might have to hold high. You'd be surprised how many people think you need to aim low with your 20 pin, I mean it's inside of 20 right?
180.) bluecat - 02/04/2020
However, if the turkey was 6 ft deep underwater, I know I need to aim low to account for the refraction.
181.) crookedeye - 02/04/2020
did you ever shoot youre bow at 10 yards being set at 20 yards ...im shooting my best if i use my 20 yard pin at 10 yards its 2 inches high...and thats a wounded turkey...
182.) crookedeye - 02/04/2020
i set my decoys about 5 yards from my blind
183.) crookedeye - 02/04/2020
i actually shot at a turkey 3 yards and missed..
184.) crookedeye - 02/04/2020
neatest thing i ever seen
185.) crookedeye - 02/04/2020
i could have grab the turkey and choked him
186.) crookedeye - 02/04/2020
3 yards
187.) Swamp Fox - 02/06/2020
[QUOTE=crookedeye;59963]i actually shot at a turkey 3 yards and missed..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=crookedeye;59964]neatest thing i ever seen[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=crookedeye;59965]i could have grab the turkey and choked him[/QUOTE]
Let me tell you about the amazing disappearing gobbler, whose running buddies stomped on and flailed at--within sight--and who vanished into thin air when I went to pick him up.
"Missed him by *that* much ..."
[QUOTE=crookedeye;59964]neatest thing i ever seen[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=crookedeye;59965]i could have grab the turkey and choked him[/QUOTE]
Let me tell you about the amazing disappearing gobbler, whose running buddies stomped on and flailed at--within sight--and who vanished into thin air when I went to pick him up.
"Missed him by *that* much ..."
188.) Swamp Fox - 02/06/2020
[QUOTE=Jon;59954]Lets say you have 20, 30 40 and 50yd pins on your bow that shoots 300FPS. You are shooting at a target that's 6' away (that's 2 yards for you from WV and NC). Which pin do you use?[/QUOTE]
Since I can't shoot multi-pins worth a flip, all my hunting sights are single pins, and I make an adjustment, either slider or mental.
It takes practice.
Since I can't shoot multi-pins worth a flip, all my hunting sights are single pins, and I make an adjustment, either slider or mental.
It takes practice.
189.) ARCHERXP - 02/06/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;59934]Hey, Carlos! :wave:[/QUOTE]
Long time no post from me, but I'm glad to see things are still popping along. =)
Long time no post from me, but I'm glad to see things are still popping along. =)
190.) bluecat - 09/23/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;59431]Anybody have a quiver that's worth mentioning? The one I have is a two-piece. I like them because it doesn't mess with the site. But this pos only grabs the arrows on one-end and then uses the arrow in the foam as the second attachment point. The hood doesn't even cover all of the broadhead. So the arrow is constantly loose and you have to be careful not to cut yourself.
Outstanding[/QUOTE]
I've used it for turkey season and now a maiden voyage in deer season. It's a super quiver. I wish the hood was a little deeper but all in all I'm very happy. I don't worry about arrows coming loose and it is firmly attached with two grippers per arrow. Easy detach too.
To be fair though, the broadheads I use are rather long.
Outstanding[/QUOTE]
I've used it for turkey season and now a maiden voyage in deer season. It's a super quiver. I wish the hood was a little deeper but all in all I'm very happy. I don't worry about arrows coming loose and it is firmly attached with two grippers per arrow. Easy detach too.
To be fair though, the broadheads I use are rather long.
191.) bluecat - 09/24/2020
DP, what brand/model is your thermometer? Does it have flexible corded probes? I'm imagining you have a control cockpit set up by your big screen so that you can simulatenously watch the Cowboys and see meat temps.
I think I'm wanting something with multiple probes so I can get an internal and an ambient temperature. I don't need blu-tooth - it's too far from smoker to home to think that would work.
Something that's nice and not too expensive. I'll put a few bucks in the reference jar on my way out.
I think I'm wanting something with multiple probes so I can get an internal and an ambient temperature. I don't need blu-tooth - it's too far from smoker to home to think that would work.
Something that's nice and not too expensive. I'll put a few bucks in the reference jar on my way out.
192.) DParker - 09/24/2020
I still have my 4-probe iGrill2 that I got for Christmas a few years ago. It wasn't cheap, but at the time it was the best thing going...at least for my needs. I don't know what kind of distance you're talking about, but the bluetooth range is more than adequate no matter where in the house I am. But then again my smoker is just on the back porch about 6' from the back door.
Now though there are several competing brands/models that I think represent a better value, based on fairly consistent reviews about that I've read about their performance, and that I will be looking into when it comes time for a replacement. For instance there's the Inkbird IBT-4XS that appears to do everything it iGrill2 does, but for far less cost (currently $52 on Amazon, down from the usual $65), though it also uses Bluetooth. That's something you're going to find with most of the more-bells-and-whistles models because they're geared toward use with a mobile device app, and being battery-powered thermometers, BT is preferred over Wi-Fi because of the former's significantly lower power requirements.
If Bluetooth just won't handle the distance you're using it over then you'll need to look at some of the models that use longer ranged frequencies and proprietary protocols, like the ThermoPro line, or the Mavericks. All of the ones that I'm familiar with only support 2 probes though, so I haven't looked into them in any depth (save for the old Maverick that I had as my first remote thermo, before I got the iGrill2).
Whatever you go with, be prepared to buy extra probes as replacements...or even be proactive and buy a couple to have as spares. One thing that all of these units have in common, as far as I've been able to tell, is that the probes are prone to failure with any kind of regular use. I've had to replace several, though I did get 1 of them replaced for free on the Maverick because it went bad after only the 3rd use. But they all seem to suck as far as durability goes.
Now though there are several competing brands/models that I think represent a better value, based on fairly consistent reviews about that I've read about their performance, and that I will be looking into when it comes time for a replacement. For instance there's the Inkbird IBT-4XS that appears to do everything it iGrill2 does, but for far less cost (currently $52 on Amazon, down from the usual $65), though it also uses Bluetooth. That's something you're going to find with most of the more-bells-and-whistles models because they're geared toward use with a mobile device app, and being battery-powered thermometers, BT is preferred over Wi-Fi because of the former's significantly lower power requirements.
If Bluetooth just won't handle the distance you're using it over then you'll need to look at some of the models that use longer ranged frequencies and proprietary protocols, like the ThermoPro line, or the Mavericks. All of the ones that I'm familiar with only support 2 probes though, so I haven't looked into them in any depth (save for the old Maverick that I had as my first remote thermo, before I got the iGrill2).
Whatever you go with, be prepared to buy extra probes as replacements...or even be proactive and buy a couple to have as spares. One thing that all of these units have in common, as far as I've been able to tell, is that the probes are prone to failure with any kind of regular use. I've had to replace several, though I did get 1 of them replaced for free on the Maverick because it went bad after only the 3rd use. But they all seem to suck as far as durability goes.
193.) Swamp Fox - 09/25/2020
I have a bunch of different quivers and like most of them, but I keep leaving my Weber thermometers out by the cooker and they don't like all the rain. It's like $12 every frickin' time ... I keep telling myself I used to just check my watch ...
The thing I like about them, though, is that they tell me the temperature ... Of both the air and the meat, and also of my fingers if I hold them there.
The thing I don't like is that I have to actually stick them in the meat to read 'em, instead of the information being telepathically transported to me by 6G or [better!] 7G microwaves that I can access from my telephonic device directly from the grid thingie in the cooker...
That way I could cook and make phone calls, too ...
The thing I like about them, though, is that they tell me the temperature ... Of both the air and the meat, and also of my fingers if I hold them there.
The thing I don't like is that I have to actually stick them in the meat to read 'em, instead of the information being telepathically transported to me by 6G or [better!] 7G microwaves that I can access from my telephonic device directly from the grid thingie in the cooker...
That way I could cook and make phone calls, too ...
194.) bluecat - 09/25/2020
[QUOTE=DParker;61946]I still have my 4-probe iGrill2 that I got for Christmas a few years ago. It wasn't cheap, but at the time it was the best thing going...at least for my needs. I don't know what kind of distance you're talking about, but the bluetooth range is more than adequate no matter where in the house I am. But then again my smoker is just on the back porch about 6' from the back door.
Now though there are several competing brands/models that I think represent a better value, based on fairly consistent reviews about that I've read about their performance, and that I will be looking into when it comes time for a replacement. For instance there's the Inkbird IBT-4XS that appears to do everything it iGrill2 does, but for far less cost (currently $52 on Amazon, down from the usual $65), though it also uses Bluetooth. That's something you're going to find with most of the more-bells-and-whistles models because they're geared toward use with a mobile device app, and being battery-powered thermometers, BT is preferred over Wi-Fi because of the former's significantly lower power requirements.
If Bluetooth just won't handle the distance you're using it over then you'll need to look at some of the models that use longer ranged frequencies and proprietary protocols, like the ThermoPro line, or the Mavericks. All of the ones that I'm familiar with only support 2 probes though, so I haven't looked into them in any depth (save for the old Maverick that I had as my first remote thermo, before I got the iGrill2).
Whatever you go with, be prepared to buy extra probes as replacements...or even be proactive and buy a couple to have as spares. One thing that all of these units have in common, as far as I've been able to tell, is that the probes are prone to failure with any kind of regular use. I've had to replace several, though I did get 1 of them replaced for free on the Maverick because it went bad after only the 3rd use. But they all seem to suck as far as durability goes.[/QUOTE]
I recall now you had some problems with your probe...
I think given the information I may just continue to use the simple stick and click models that don't involve a floppy probe. I've got about a 50 yard walk from the house to the lean-to where all the magic happens. Ever hear of the Bearded Butchers? They have some YouTube stuff that I thiink you would enjoy. They smoke everything on their Trager so you already have something in common.
Now though there are several competing brands/models that I think represent a better value, based on fairly consistent reviews about that I've read about their performance, and that I will be looking into when it comes time for a replacement. For instance there's the Inkbird IBT-4XS that appears to do everything it iGrill2 does, but for far less cost (currently $52 on Amazon, down from the usual $65), though it also uses Bluetooth. That's something you're going to find with most of the more-bells-and-whistles models because they're geared toward use with a mobile device app, and being battery-powered thermometers, BT is preferred over Wi-Fi because of the former's significantly lower power requirements.
If Bluetooth just won't handle the distance you're using it over then you'll need to look at some of the models that use longer ranged frequencies and proprietary protocols, like the ThermoPro line, or the Mavericks. All of the ones that I'm familiar with only support 2 probes though, so I haven't looked into them in any depth (save for the old Maverick that I had as my first remote thermo, before I got the iGrill2).
Whatever you go with, be prepared to buy extra probes as replacements...or even be proactive and buy a couple to have as spares. One thing that all of these units have in common, as far as I've been able to tell, is that the probes are prone to failure with any kind of regular use. I've had to replace several, though I did get 1 of them replaced for free on the Maverick because it went bad after only the 3rd use. But they all seem to suck as far as durability goes.[/QUOTE]
I recall now you had some problems with your probe...
I think given the information I may just continue to use the simple stick and click models that don't involve a floppy probe. I've got about a 50 yard walk from the house to the lean-to where all the magic happens. Ever hear of the Bearded Butchers? They have some YouTube stuff that I thiink you would enjoy. They smoke everything on their Trager so you already have something in common.
195.) bluecat - 09/25/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;61952]I have a bunch of different quivers and like most of them, but I keep leaving my Weber thermometers out by the cooker and they don't like all the rain. It's like $12 every frickin' time ... I keep telling myself I used to just check my watch ...
The thing I like about them, though, is that they tell me the temperature ... Of both the air and the meat, and also of my fingers if I hold them there.
The thing I don't like is that I have to actually stick them in the meat to read 'em, instead of the information being telepathically transported to me by 6G or [better!] 7G microwaves that I can access from my telephonic device directly from the grid thingie in the cooker...
That way I could cook and make phone calls, too ...[/QUOTE]
Why don't you put the thermometers in your quiver?
The thing I like about them, though, is that they tell me the temperature ... Of both the air and the meat, and also of my fingers if I hold them there.
The thing I don't like is that I have to actually stick them in the meat to read 'em, instead of the information being telepathically transported to me by 6G or [better!] 7G microwaves that I can access from my telephonic device directly from the grid thingie in the cooker...
That way I could cook and make phone calls, too ...[/QUOTE]
Why don't you put the thermometers in your quiver?
196.) Swamp Fox - 09/25/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;61953]I recall now you had some problems with your probe...
[/QUOTE]
Ouch, DP ...
I must have missed that thread.
It's at times like these I'm conflicted about sending prayers and making jokes about prayers ...
:wink
:pop:
[QUOTE=bluecat;61954]Why don't you put the thermometers in your quiver?[/QUOTE]
Because bedded ain't basted?
Roosted ain't roasted?
Baited ain't BBQ'd?
On the other hand, grits *are* groceries, but how do we know Mona Lisa was *not* a man? ... I mean, really: How do we know, hmmm?
[/QUOTE]
Ouch, DP ...
I must have missed that thread.
It's at times like these I'm conflicted about sending prayers and making jokes about prayers ...
:wink
:pop:
[QUOTE=bluecat;61954]Why don't you put the thermometers in your quiver?[/QUOTE]
Because bedded ain't basted?
Roosted ain't roasted?
Baited ain't BBQ'd?
On the other hand, grits *are* groceries, but how do we know Mona Lisa was *not* a man? ... I mean, really: How do we know, hmmm?