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1.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
So every year over Veterans day I try to make a trip to the flinthills. When this picture was taken I was really questioning my sanity. The temperature was mid 20's and the wind was blowing hard making it almost unbearable. I knew I was in for a rough sit. I packed along my heater body suit just in case. The flinthills are rolling rocky hills covered in shortgrass prairie. Small creeks and ravines offer up the best opportunity to see deer and other 4-legged creatures.
When I descended down the hill and got to the creek bottom, the weather change was dramatic. It went from unbearable to comfortable. Almost no wind so instantly I felt warmer and felt like I could endure. This is the creek bottom full of cedar, oak and in this area, honey locusts. Notice the little patch of green grass to the left of the picture. I thought that might be attractive.
nasty nasty nasty
This picture shows the stark contrast between prairie and trees. I set my stand up here and then immediately took it down and opted for a better spot.
Water and wind protection available. I set my stand up here as the cedar tree offered a little more coverage and was a little higher off the ground. It was flanked by two locust trees though.
Picture from the stand.
Got there around 9:00. At 1:00 I hear something walking the fence line behind me. I see antlers and see a smallish buck walking away. He had passed within two yards of me. I grunted and he stopped at 25 yards. I had no shot as he was behind me and I had the cedar tree between me and him. I grunted softly again and he swiveled around, hopped the fence and walked toward me. I drew and waited. He picked up some movement and stopped. After a few seconds he started walking my way again and gave me a 12 - 15 yard shot broadside. It was one of those rare occasions where I followed the arrow all the way in and knew it was a lethal shot. He took off and ran up the opposite hillside. I watched him run a hundred yards before he just began to leave my vision but I thought I saw a lot of white which made me think he rolled.
Always breathtaking and a little humbling.
2.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
3.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
You're like Arby's: You have the meats! :tu:
How do you not blow deer out going into a sheltered draw with oaks in the middle of prairie? Are they feeding some distance away and you count on them coming through at some point after sunrise? Are you taking more of a chance going in late?
How do you not blow deer out going into a sheltered draw with oaks in the middle of prairie? Are they feeding some distance away and you count on them coming through at some point after sunrise? Are you taking more of a chance going in late?
4.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
I just figure that because of the rut, they'll be walking that creek throughout the day. I just try to get in quietly and get set up. Ultimately it would have been nice to already have a stand up but this year I did not get that accomplished. I will have one up next year already in the location. Still have one doe tag so we'll see.
5.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
As for honey locusts:
"I don't know how you guys walk around with those things."
"I don't know how you guys walk around with those things."
6.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
I know right?
7.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53007]
Always breathtaking and a little humbling.[/QUOTE]
"It's a big country."
First time I ever went out West, the vastness of it blew me away. A little like being out in the middle of the ocean, but with more to look at (distantly). LOL
Always breathtaking and a little humbling.[/QUOTE]
"It's a big country."
First time I ever went out West, the vastness of it blew me away. A little like being out in the middle of the ocean, but with more to look at (distantly). LOL
8.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
Now my question is, when you put an arrow through the lungs, aren't they supposed to deflate? I think this is why he went 100+ yards and not 50.
9.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
I got a chance to use and review the Cross Creek Game hoist. [url]http://crosscreektrading.com/[/url]
Really a nice hoist. This will be my go-to method and will be permanently in my kill bag. Easy to set up and took no effort to hoist deer. (memo to self: don't choose a willow branch. They bend instead of holding firm.)
10.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
I was a little apprehensive on how sure it would lock up and would this be safe to process the deer this way. It is.
11.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
I've had something like that for the house/camp for a long time. I need to replace the poly rope, prolly, since it's been outside for years now. I've been procrastinating because I'd have to learn how to rethread it properly, LOL. I like that that one comes with "real" rope. Makes for easier packing.
I was interested in their Quik Packer for quite a while but never got around to it. They do seem to make good stuff.
What did you do with the Viking hoist? Did your attempt to re-cable/re-rope it work out?
I was interested in their Quik Packer for quite a while but never got around to it. They do seem to make good stuff.
What did you do with the Viking hoist? Did your attempt to re-cable/re-rope it work out?
12.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53022]I was a little apprehensive on how sure it would lock up and would this be safe to process the deer this way. It is.[/QUOTE]
Is it self-locking somehow, or do you just tie it off?
Is it self-locking somehow, or do you just tie it off?
13.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53024]I've had something like that for the house/camp for a long time. I need to replace the poly rope, prolly, since it's been outside for years now. I've been procrastinating because I'd have to learn how to rethread it properly, LOL. I like that that one comes with "real" rope. Makes for easier packing.
I was interested in their Quik Packer for quite a while but never got around to it. They do seem to make good stuff.
What did you do with the Viking hoist? Did your attempt to re-cable/re-rope it work out?[/QUOTE]
I re-cabled it but would rather use some nice heavy duty rope (e.g. REI mountaineering rope). The problem is, that rope would require a bigger and deeper pulley. So I may hit up my welder friend to make some improvements.
I was interested in their Quik Packer for quite a while but never got around to it. They do seem to make good stuff.
What did you do with the Viking hoist? Did your attempt to re-cable/re-rope it work out?[/QUOTE]
I re-cabled it but would rather use some nice heavy duty rope (e.g. REI mountaineering rope). The problem is, that rope would require a bigger and deeper pulley. So I may hit up my welder friend to make some improvements.
14.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53025]Is it self-locking somehow, or do you just it off?[/QUOTE]
The rope (good quality rope too) gets jammed up and stops on its own. You have to straighten out the rope to get it to release so you can pull the hoist down. Once you pull down to lift hoist, it jams automatically. Very solid.
The rope (good quality rope too) gets jammed up and stops on its own. You have to straighten out the rope to get it to release so you can pull the hoist down. Once you pull down to lift hoist, it jams automatically. Very solid.
15.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
Look at the rope in the picture. It is coming off the side of those pulleys through a v-shaped piece of metal.
16.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53025]Is it self-locking somehow, or do you just it off?[/QUOTE]
The older models were not self-locking. They made the improvement and they are now.
The older models were not self-locking. They made the improvement and they are now.
17.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
Got it. In my kit, I use some kind of small self-locking jam pulley that I can never remember the name of when I need to. My problem is no overhanging limbs most places, LOL. I have a goofy system worked out for it on limbless trees, but it's less than ideal.
18.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53026]I re-cabled it but would rather use some nice heavy duty rope (e.g. REI mountaineering rope). The problem is, that rope would require a bigger and deeper pulley. So I may hit up my welder friend to make some improvements.[/QUOTE]
A couple of options: you can get the working load specs you need without going all the way to "climbing rope" diameters or pricing. Look for "accessory cord" or "shorts." Shorts are odd lengths of various quality ropes being sold at a discount.
Here's an example:
[url]https://sterlingrope.com/store/climb/ropes/static/htp/htp-prime-shorts-climb[/url]
I haven't looked to see if you can find shorts in the diameter you might need, but accessory cord is available down below 3 mm. If 4mm will work, it'll be substantially stronger than 3.
Like this:
[url]https://www.google.com/shopping/product/12480555920530197713?lsf=seller:1209243,store:8784512631826266093&q=sterling+accessory+cord&hl=en&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA%7C404_11197%7C7162270016%7Cnone%7Cb3286683-95c1-4d00-aac0-be8a4f3131f3%7Cpla-70395078880&lsft=gclid:EAIaIQobChMIqI6ju5e81wIVUJ7ACh3OQQXgEAQYAyABEgL1SfD_BwE&prds=oid:8225223111431290758&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU-NTCl7zXAhVhiFQKHV9sBjgQrRIIIw[/url]
I haven't gone looking at dedicated "prussic cord" but it'll cost a tiny bit more in exchange for better handling (you would hope) but probably not much more (if any) in strength. The big thing will be that I'm not sure how easily you'll find prussic smaller than 4 mm. It exists, but whether you want it or not is a different question.
Another option, though expensive, is Amsteel Blue. They might make make something else that's suitable, but this is the rope I keep coming across when the topic is weight/size/strength. It IS made for winching, so there's that, LOL.
7/64 diameter, 5/16 circumference is the smallest, it looks like:
[url]http://www.samsonrope.com/Pages/Product.aspx?ProductID=872[/url]
A couple of options: you can get the working load specs you need without going all the way to "climbing rope" diameters or pricing. Look for "accessory cord" or "shorts." Shorts are odd lengths of various quality ropes being sold at a discount.
Here's an example:
[url]https://sterlingrope.com/store/climb/ropes/static/htp/htp-prime-shorts-climb[/url]
I haven't looked to see if you can find shorts in the diameter you might need, but accessory cord is available down below 3 mm. If 4mm will work, it'll be substantially stronger than 3.
Like this:
[url]https://www.google.com/shopping/product/12480555920530197713?lsf=seller:1209243,store:8784512631826266093&q=sterling+accessory+cord&hl=en&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA%7C404_11197%7C7162270016%7Cnone%7Cb3286683-95c1-4d00-aac0-be8a4f3131f3%7Cpla-70395078880&lsft=gclid:EAIaIQobChMIqI6ju5e81wIVUJ7ACh3OQQXgEAQYAyABEgL1SfD_BwE&prds=oid:8225223111431290758&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU-NTCl7zXAhVhiFQKHV9sBjgQrRIIIw[/url]
I haven't gone looking at dedicated "prussic cord" but it'll cost a tiny bit more in exchange for better handling (you would hope) but probably not much more (if any) in strength. The big thing will be that I'm not sure how easily you'll find prussic smaller than 4 mm. It exists, but whether you want it or not is a different question.
Another option, though expensive, is Amsteel Blue. They might make make something else that's suitable, but this is the rope I keep coming across when the topic is weight/size/strength. It IS made for winching, so there's that, LOL.
7/64 diameter, 5/16 circumference is the smallest, it looks like:
[url]http://www.samsonrope.com/Pages/Product.aspx?ProductID=872[/url]
19.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53033]A couple of options: you can get the working load specs you need without going all the way to "climbing rope" diameters or pricing. Look for "accessory cord" or "shorts." Shorts are odd lengths of various quality ropes being sold at a discount.
Here's an example:
[url]https://sterlingrope.com/store/climb/ropes/static/htp/htp-prime-shorts-climb[/url]
I haven't looked to see if you can find shorts in the diameter you might need, but accessory cord is available down below 3 mm. If 4mm will work, it'll be substantially stronger than 3.
Like this:
[url]https://www.google.com/shopping/product/12480555920530197713?lsf=seller:1209243,store:8784512631826266093&q=sterling+accessory+cord&hl=en&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA%7C404_11197%7C7162270016%7Cnone%7Cb3286683-95c1-4d00-aac0-be8a4f3131f3%7Cpla-70395078880&lsft=gclid:EAIaIQobChMIqI6ju5e81wIVUJ7ACh3OQQXgEAQYAyABEgL1SfD_BwE&prds=oid:8225223111431290758&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU-NTCl7zXAhVhiFQKHV9sBjgQrRIIIw[/url]
I haven't gone looking at dedicated "prussic cord" but it'll cost a tiny bit more in exchange for better handling (you would hope) but probably not much more (if any) in strength. The big thing will be that I'm not sure how easily you'll find prussic smaller than 4 mm. It exists, but whether you want it or not is a different question.
Another option, though expensive, is Amsteel Blue. They might make make something else that's suitable, but this is the rope I keep coming across when the topic is weight/size/strength. It IS made for winching, so there's that, LOL.
7/64 diameter, 5/16 circumference is the smallest, it looks like:
[url]http://www.samsonrope.com/Pages/Product.aspx?ProductID=872[/url][/QUOTE]
I've got some of the 4mm stuff. It's really really nice. But that pulley needs a deeper groove.
Here's an example:
[url]https://sterlingrope.com/store/climb/ropes/static/htp/htp-prime-shorts-climb[/url]
I haven't looked to see if you can find shorts in the diameter you might need, but accessory cord is available down below 3 mm. If 4mm will work, it'll be substantially stronger than 3.
Like this:
[url]https://www.google.com/shopping/product/12480555920530197713?lsf=seller:1209243,store:8784512631826266093&q=sterling+accessory+cord&hl=en&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA%7C404_11197%7C7162270016%7Cnone%7Cb3286683-95c1-4d00-aac0-be8a4f3131f3%7Cpla-70395078880&lsft=gclid:EAIaIQobChMIqI6ju5e81wIVUJ7ACh3OQQXgEAQYAyABEgL1SfD_BwE&prds=oid:8225223111431290758&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU-NTCl7zXAhVhiFQKHV9sBjgQrRIIIw[/url]
I haven't gone looking at dedicated "prussic cord" but it'll cost a tiny bit more in exchange for better handling (you would hope) but probably not much more (if any) in strength. The big thing will be that I'm not sure how easily you'll find prussic smaller than 4 mm. It exists, but whether you want it or not is a different question.
Another option, though expensive, is Amsteel Blue. They might make make something else that's suitable, but this is the rope I keep coming across when the topic is weight/size/strength. It IS made for winching, so there's that, LOL.
7/64 diameter, 5/16 circumference is the smallest, it looks like:
[url]http://www.samsonrope.com/Pages/Product.aspx?ProductID=872[/url][/QUOTE]
I've got some of the 4mm stuff. It's really really nice. But that pulley needs a deeper groove.
20.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
Ach ...That's too bad.
21.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
So, why didn't those lungs deflate? I'm really curious and a little concerned.
22.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
Tissue was probably frozen, from the sound of it. LOL
I don't know. I've never poked around with lungs. Also, I'm no meteorologist, but I think there's such a thing as a partially collapsed lung, which --if true--would lead me to believe that just because you put a hole in a lung doesn't automatically mean it deflates, for some reason.
We need somebody on here who, like, really nos all this stuff anyway.
I don't know. I've never poked around with lungs. Also, I'm no meteorologist, but I think there's such a thing as a partially collapsed lung, which --if true--would lead me to believe that just because you put a hole in a lung doesn't automatically mean it deflates, for some reason.
We need somebody on here who, like, really nos all this stuff anyway.
23.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
You ever drop a deer down a deep gut (creek, ravine, ditch)? Need to pull him out? Not sure I can find it, but there's a neat little system you can put together with a couple of pulleys and a few knots.
This here is very close to what I do. I attach to the trees and deer with girth-hitched rope loops rather than ratchets, but I see the benefit of the (heavier) ratchets. I haven't used mine in a while but when I have, I was glad I had it.
[url]https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/whitetail-deer-hunting/377072-how-get-deer-up-hill-yourself.html[/url]
Add some rope to your hoist's rope and a second pulley to your kit and you're good to go. I've used a few of these knots but don't know if any of them are particularly hard to untie after loading, except for the blood knot, which could be a bear, LOL Got any opinion on that?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bend_knots[/url]
This here is very close to what I do. I attach to the trees and deer with girth-hitched rope loops rather than ratchets, but I see the benefit of the (heavier) ratchets. I haven't used mine in a while but when I have, I was glad I had it.
[url]https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/whitetail-deer-hunting/377072-how-get-deer-up-hill-yourself.html[/url]
Add some rope to your hoist's rope and a second pulley to your kit and you're good to go. I've used a few of these knots but don't know if any of them are particularly hard to untie after loading, except for the blood knot, which could be a bear, LOL Got any opinion on that?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bend_knots[/url]
24.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53039]You ever drop a deer down a deep gut (creek, ravine, ditch)? Need to pull him out? Not sure I can find it, but there's a neat little system you can put together with a couple of pulleys and a few knots.
This here is very close to what I do. I attach to the trees and deer with girth-hitched rope loops rather than ratchets, but I see the benefit of the (heavier) ratchets. I haven't used mine in a while but when I have, I was glad I had it.
[url]https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/whitetail-deer-hunting/377072-how-get-deer-up-hill-yourself.html[/url]
Add some rope to your hoist's rope and a second pulley to your kit and you're good to go. I've used a few of these knots but don't know if any of them are particularly hard to untie after loading, except for the blood knot, which could be a bear, LOL Got any opinion on that?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bend_knots[/url][/QUOTE]
Good post. Basically it looks like you are substituting the deer's head for the gambrel. So you are just doing the hoist thing but laying on its side. You can inchworm your load up the hill by drawing the deer toward attachment tree. Reattach to next tree up the hill and doing the same thing. Sometimes you need to see this stuff to realize you have all the tools.
Now back to those lungs...
This here is very close to what I do. I attach to the trees and deer with girth-hitched rope loops rather than ratchets, but I see the benefit of the (heavier) ratchets. I haven't used mine in a while but when I have, I was glad I had it.
[url]https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/whitetail-deer-hunting/377072-how-get-deer-up-hill-yourself.html[/url]
Add some rope to your hoist's rope and a second pulley to your kit and you're good to go. I've used a few of these knots but don't know if any of them are particularly hard to untie after loading, except for the blood knot, which could be a bear, LOL Got any opinion on that?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bend_knots[/url][/QUOTE]
Good post. Basically it looks like you are substituting the deer's head for the gambrel. So you are just doing the hoist thing but laying on its side. You can inchworm your load up the hill by drawing the deer toward attachment tree. Reattach to next tree up the hill and doing the same thing. Sometimes you need to see this stuff to realize you have all the tools.
Now back to those lungs...
25.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
Those lungs were dead centered with a 4-blade Stinger. They should have been as small and floppy as Hillary's breasts. Not blaming the broadhead, just curious if our viewers have had this happen. No doubt Luv2 will be in shortly to discuss as this is a deer thread. :wink
26.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53039]You ever drop a deer down a deep gut (creek, ravine, ditch)? Need to pull him out? Not sure I can find it, but there's a neat little system you can put together with a couple of pulleys and a few knots.
This here is very close to what I do. I attach to the trees and deer with girth-hitched rope loops rather than ratchets, but I see the benefit of the (heavier) ratchets. I haven't used mine in a while but when I have, I was glad I had it.
[url]https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/whitetail-deer-hunting/377072-how-get-deer-up-hill-yourself.html[/url]
Add some rope to your hoist's rope and a second pulley to your kit and you're good to go. I've used a few of these knots but don't know if any of them are particularly hard to untie after loading, except for the blood knot, which could be a bear, LOL Got any opinion on that?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bend_knots[/url][/QUOTE]
Not sure about adding rope if that added rope and knot attachment to pre-existing rope has to go through pulley system. I think the best bet is just going in small increments up the hill. Or load up your system with a lot of rope to begin with.
i.e. the knot would not go through pulley system. Any bend you choose would still hang up in the system.
This here is very close to what I do. I attach to the trees and deer with girth-hitched rope loops rather than ratchets, but I see the benefit of the (heavier) ratchets. I haven't used mine in a while but when I have, I was glad I had it.
[url]https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/whitetail-deer-hunting/377072-how-get-deer-up-hill-yourself.html[/url]
Add some rope to your hoist's rope and a second pulley to your kit and you're good to go. I've used a few of these knots but don't know if any of them are particularly hard to untie after loading, except for the blood knot, which could be a bear, LOL Got any opinion on that?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bend_knots[/url][/QUOTE]
Not sure about adding rope if that added rope and knot attachment to pre-existing rope has to go through pulley system. I think the best bet is just going in small increments up the hill. Or load up your system with a lot of rope to begin with.
i.e. the knot would not go through pulley system. Any bend you choose would still hang up in the system.
27.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
There's a lot of good bends out there. I've learned many of them and don't really have a favorite. Glad you posted that though Swampy. Nice to know if the deer had to come out, I have a pulley system that should work. Otherwise, why not just process it down low and haul the meat out on a pack? I realize not all people process their own critters or the need to drive the carcass around town to show your best girl...
28.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
What sucked was the hike back to the truck for the kill bag.
29.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53040]Good post. Basically it looks like you are substituting the deer's head for the gambrel. So you are just doing the hoist thing but laying on its side. You can inchworm your load up the hill by drawing the deer toward attachment tree. Reattach to next tree up the hill and doing the same thing. Sometimes you need to see this stuff to realize you have all the tools.
Now back to those lungs...[/QUOTE]
Right, but the second pulley at the deer's head should make things even easier. You definitely want 2 if you don't have a multi-channel pulley like yours at the tree. And even though you (I) won't usually be moving the deer any more than 10 or 15 yards at a pull, you need a fair amount of rope for the task, so unless one carries a lot of rope with his hoist to begin with, having extra will come in handy.
As far as the lungs go ...
Now back to those lungs...[/QUOTE]
Right, but the second pulley at the deer's head should make things even easier. You definitely want 2 if you don't have a multi-channel pulley like yours at the tree. And even though you (I) won't usually be moving the deer any more than 10 or 15 yards at a pull, you need a fair amount of rope for the task, so unless one carries a lot of rope with his hoist to begin with, having extra will come in handy.
As far as the lungs go ...
30.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
When you look at my original picture, the second pulley [B]is[/B] close to gambrel/deers head. Because I took the picture after the deer had been raised you don't see the separation. If I had taken the picture before I hoisted the deer up there would be pulleys at top and pulleys near gambrel/deers head.
31.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
Drew a red line between the two sets of pulleys. When I attached the deer those pulleys were 6 feet apart. Pulling the rope brings the two sets of pulleys together. The multi-track pulley system just reduces the force necessary to bring those pulleys together. It's the same principal whether its a single track or multi-track.
32.) DParker - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53019][/QUOTE]
Wow. You guys really need to work on fattening up the deer around there.
[/QUOTE]Wow. You guys really need to work on fattening up the deer around there.
33.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
+ 2 :-)
34.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
Where did Archimedes go?
35.) DParker - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53051]Where did Archimedes go?[/QUOTE]
36.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53042]Not sure about adding rope if that added rope and knot attachment to pre-existing rope has to go through pulley system. I think the best bet is just going in small increments up the hill. Or load up your system with a lot of rope to begin with.
i.e. the knot would not go through pulley system. Any bend you choose would still hang up in the system.[/QUOTE]
I see what you mean. I'm thinking shorter distances between anchor trees than I should.
When I re-string my camp pulley, I'll keep the rope rather short. But you're right: If it were a pulley I was going to throw in my pack and leave there, I'd put a long rope on it to begin with. If the hoist had to go back and forth as far as where it was used, though, I' guess I'd try to split the difference and add and remove a section of extra rope as needed.
i.e. the knot would not go through pulley system. Any bend you choose would still hang up in the system.[/QUOTE]
I see what you mean. I'm thinking shorter distances between anchor trees than I should.
When I re-string my camp pulley, I'll keep the rope rather short. But you're right: If it were a pulley I was going to throw in my pack and leave there, I'd put a long rope on it to begin with. If the hoist had to go back and forth as far as where it was used, though, I' guess I'd try to split the difference and add and remove a section of extra rope as needed.
37.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
I'm not suggesting you keep your rope short. Better too long than not long enough, (know what I mean Vern). Because I have a multi-pulley system when those pulleys come apart there a huge amount of rope being used. Four pulleys so 8 x the distance between buck head and attachment tree. A single pulley wouldn't be so bad. I just know that there isn't a knot that's going to thread through a multiple pulley system smoothly.
38.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=DParker;53052][/QUOTE]
+3 Okay, I see where this is going. Can somebody let DP out to run a bit?
[/QUOTE]+3 Okay, I see where this is going. Can somebody let DP out to run a bit?
39.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53043]There's a lot of good bends out there. I've learned many of them and don't really have a favorite. Glad you posted that though Swampy. Nice to know if the deer had to come out, I have a pulley system that should work. Otherwise, why not just process it down low and haul the meat out on a pack? I realize not all people process their own critters or the need to drive the carcass around town to show your best girl...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;53044]What sucked was the hike back to the truck for the kill bag.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking more about getting the deer out of a hole than pullley-ing him all the way to the truck, LOL. On the other hand, there are places that you have to take a deer out "whole" (unbutchered). I could get into a big dissertation about that. I mean a rant.
I've prepped deer for transport on the ground and packed them out, but if it's boggy, muddy or just plain wet it ain't pretty. I've gone back to my truck for gear, and I've tried to avoid that by carrying my gear in up front, without knowing if I was going to kill something. Both options suck unless you hunt right out your back door, LOL
[QUOTE=bluecat;53044]What sucked was the hike back to the truck for the kill bag.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking more about getting the deer out of a hole than pullley-ing him all the way to the truck, LOL. On the other hand, there are places that you have to take a deer out "whole" (unbutchered). I could get into a big dissertation about that. I mean a rant.
I've prepped deer for transport on the ground and packed them out, but if it's boggy, muddy or just plain wet it ain't pretty. I've gone back to my truck for gear, and I've tried to avoid that by carrying my gear in up front, without knowing if I was going to kill something. Both options suck unless you hunt right out your back door, LOL
40.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53047]When you look at my original picture, the second pulley [B]is[/B] close to gambrel/deers head. Because I took the picture after the deer had been raised you don't see the separation. If I had taken the picture before I hoisted the deer up there would be pulleys at top and pulleys near gambrel/deers head.[/QUOTE]
D'oh!! --- :groan:
[QUOTE=bluecat;53051]Where did Archimedes go?[/QUOTE]
LOL
D'oh!! --- :groan:
[QUOTE=bluecat;53051]Where did Archimedes go?[/QUOTE]
LOL
41.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
Think of it like this.
42.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
What have the Greeks ever done for us?
[url]https://www.hexapolis.com/2015/07/07/4-remarkable-inventions-of-archimedes-that-still-baffle-us/[/url]
[url]https://www.hexapolis.com/2015/07/07/4-remarkable-inventions-of-archimedes-that-still-baffle-us/[/url]
43.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53058]Think of it like this.
[/QUOTE]
+5 :grin:
I gotcha. I just had a brain fart ... LOL
Musta thought there was some new design in deer hoists. :dig:
[/QUOTE]
+5 :grin:
I gotcha. I just had a brain fart ... LOL
Musta thought there was some new design in deer hoists. :dig:
44.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
It is hard to see when those pulleys are butted up against each other.
I'm more concerned about not getting any points regarding Hillary's floppy breasts. That was worth a point a piece easily.
I'm more concerned about not getting any points regarding Hillary's floppy breasts. That was worth a point a piece easily.
45.) bluecat - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53059]What have the Greeks ever done for us?
[url]https://www.hexapolis.com/2015/07/07/4-remarkable-inventions-of-archimedes-that-still-baffle-us/[/url][/QUOTE]
Aside from the gyros and the Uzo, what have the Greeks ever done for us.
[url]https://www.hexapolis.com/2015/07/07/4-remarkable-inventions-of-archimedes-that-still-baffle-us/[/url][/QUOTE]
Aside from the gyros and the Uzo, what have the Greeks ever done for us.
46.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53061]It is hard to see when those pulleys are butted up against each other.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but I still should have been following along better. LOL. And BTW, I have tried this with only one wheel/pulley/change of direction and it doesn't work very well. It probably depends a little on the rope/COD/angle combination and how good or bad your bite is, but two pulleys is much mo better. I was trying to save some weight, but learned my lesson.
[QUOTE=bluecat;53061]
I'm more concerned about not getting any points regarding Hillary's floppy breasts. That was worth a point a piece easily.
[/QUOTE]
My stomach has been too upset to say anything, and now you've made it worse.
Yeah, but I still should have been following along better. LOL. And BTW, I have tried this with only one wheel/pulley/change of direction and it doesn't work very well. It probably depends a little on the rope/COD/angle combination and how good or bad your bite is, but two pulleys is much mo better. I was trying to save some weight, but learned my lesson.
[QUOTE=bluecat;53061]
I'm more concerned about not getting any points regarding Hillary's floppy breasts. That was worth a point a piece easily.
[/QUOTE]
My stomach has been too upset to say anything, and now you've made it worse.
47.) Swamp Fox - 11/13/2017
Carabiners instead of pulleys for weight saving. Wouldn't recommend this for anything heavier than a moderately heavy pack, though. LOL
48.) crookedeye - 11/13/2017
you can tell by his deterating antler growth and whiskers, he's and older buck in his declining years looks like he was a fighter also..
nice one.
nice one.
49.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=crookedeye;53065]you can tell by his deterating antler growth and whiskers, he's and older buck in his declining years looks like he was a fighter also..
nice one.[/QUOTE]
Thanks CE, that's what I was thinking too.:wink
nice one.[/QUOTE]
Thanks CE, that's what I was thinking too.:wink
50.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
Getting an animal in the truck:
There's a rather ingenious way of doing it involving running a rope over and then (I think) under your vehicle that I read about many years ago but can never remember the mechanics of, so needless to say I have never tried it. Maybe it's under and then over, LOL. Forward, reverse? :cf::duh:
I've used ramps before and lifted (with my legs!). You can also use a ramp and one pulley mounted in the front of the bed. (Attached to a rope between tie downs, or I've used the hardware on the folded back seat of the Bronco (before I decided to use the whole back for gear). Run the tow rope through the pulley and tie off one end to the animal (which you have started on the ramp) and the other to a tree, fence post, telephone pole etc. Then drive slowly forward, pulling the animal into the bed.
This is the same idea, but you don't need a separate tie-off point:
This is for somebody who has a friend who can weld. Bluecat, you have about half the equipment you need already with that Viking hoist:
There's a rather ingenious way of doing it involving running a rope over and then (I think) under your vehicle that I read about many years ago but can never remember the mechanics of, so needless to say I have never tried it. Maybe it's under and then over, LOL. Forward, reverse? :cf::duh:
I've used ramps before and lifted (with my legs!). You can also use a ramp and one pulley mounted in the front of the bed. (Attached to a rope between tie downs, or I've used the hardware on the folded back seat of the Bronco (before I decided to use the whole back for gear). Run the tow rope through the pulley and tie off one end to the animal (which you have started on the ramp) and the other to a tree, fence post, telephone pole etc. Then drive slowly forward, pulling the animal into the bed.
This is the same idea, but you don't need a separate tie-off point:
This is for somebody who has a friend who can weld. Bluecat, you have about half the equipment you need already with that Viking hoist:
51.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
More pulleys, less winches!
3:1 ----
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[QUOTE]We needed a 3:1 pulley system. A 3:1 pulley system is simply one long rope attached to the load (the elk – around the shoulders in our case), with the other end of the rope going through a pulley attached to the back of the truck bed, and that same rope end going through a 2nd pulley attached to the same point on the load. There needs to be enough rope length left to adequately pull from within the truck bed. Three ropes make a pull of 133 pounds. The pulleys are secured using a Prusik Hitch knot. I'll not detail how to tie this knot within this tip as it is not mandatory to use it. We also used carabiners as extra weight load safety but this is not mandatory as well.
[url]http://www.biggamehunt.net/tips/lift-big-game-ease[/url][/QUOTE]
3:1 ----
[QUOTE]We needed a 3:1 pulley system. A 3:1 pulley system is simply one long rope attached to the load (the elk – around the shoulders in our case), with the other end of the rope going through a pulley attached to the back of the truck bed, and that same rope end going through a 2nd pulley attached to the same point on the load. There needs to be enough rope length left to adequately pull from within the truck bed. Three ropes make a pull of 133 pounds. The pulleys are secured using a Prusik Hitch knot. I'll not detail how to tie this knot within this tip as it is not mandatory to use it. We also used carabiners as extra weight load safety but this is not mandatory as well.
[url]http://www.biggamehunt.net/tips/lift-big-game-ease[/url][/QUOTE]
52.) billy b - 11/14/2017
Great job bluecat, that's a great job, I declare you the contest champ!!!!!
53.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53035]I've got some of the 4mm stuff. It's really really nice. But that pulley needs a deeper groove.[/QUOTE]
Found this 3 mm (I/8 inch)Amsteel surfing around tonight. Not sure why I didn't see it on the other pages I was on. Now I think THIS is the smallest size, LOL It would be more than adequate for winching a deer. With a 2200 lbf (pound force) rating, I think that means over 800 pounds safe lifting load.
[url]https://www.westmarine.com/buy/--amsteel-blue-dyneema-as-78-single-braid--P014895700[/url]
Also, the generic stuff here (as best I know):
EMMAKITES 100% UHMWPE Utility Cord Heavy Duty for Outdoor General Purpose
Specification
Material: 100% Black UHMWPE Fiber (Ultra High Weight Module Polyethylene)
15 times stronger than steel in a weight to strength ratio.
[B]Compare to Dyneema, Spectra or Amsteel. [/B]
Elongation at break: 4.8% Low stretch at break, high strength needed to break.
Diameter-Tensile Strength-Net Weight
1/8in·3mm - 2200lbf·1000kgf - 5.38Oz/100ft·5g/m
[url]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBTXQY9/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thgoofthla-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01NBTXQY9&linkId=2f3e7527354902bd891ef1e805227d80[/url]
Found this 3 mm (I/8 inch)Amsteel surfing around tonight. Not sure why I didn't see it on the other pages I was on. Now I think THIS is the smallest size, LOL It would be more than adequate for winching a deer. With a 2200 lbf (pound force) rating, I think that means over 800 pounds safe lifting load.
[url]https://www.westmarine.com/buy/--amsteel-blue-dyneema-as-78-single-braid--P014895700[/url]
Also, the generic stuff here (as best I know):
EMMAKITES 100% UHMWPE Utility Cord Heavy Duty for Outdoor General Purpose
Specification
Material: 100% Black UHMWPE Fiber (Ultra High Weight Module Polyethylene)
15 times stronger than steel in a weight to strength ratio.
[B]Compare to Dyneema, Spectra or Amsteel. [/B]
Elongation at break: 4.8% Low stretch at break, high strength needed to break.
Diameter-Tensile Strength-Net Weight
1/8in·3mm - 2200lbf·1000kgf - 5.38Oz/100ft·5g/m
[url]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBTXQY9/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thgoofthla-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01NBTXQY9&linkId=2f3e7527354902bd891ef1e805227d80[/url]
54.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
It's too slippery to hold a knot, but can be spliced, which if you're motivated isn't too hard to do. You might even be able to find somebody who will sell it spliced.
55.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53070]More pulleys, less winches!
3:1 ----
[/QUOTE]
That's a neat little rig. You could add some more pulleys to that to make it even more powerful.
"The whole concept of pulleys is fascinating." Archimedes
3:1 ----
[/QUOTE]That's a neat little rig. You could add some more pulleys to that to make it even more powerful.
"The whole concept of pulleys is fascinating." Archimedes
56.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=billy b;53072]Great job bluecat, that's a great job, I declare you the contest champ!!!!![/QUOTE]
Thanks billy b. Don't declare "Buck Lives Matter" the winner just yet. It's quality not quantity.
Thanks billy b. Don't declare "Buck Lives Matter" the winner just yet. It's quality not quantity.
57.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53064]Carabiners instead of pulleys for weight saving. Wouldn't recommend this for anything heavier than a moderately heavy pack, though. LOL
[/QUOTE]
+3 :-)
[/QUOTE]
+3 :-)
58.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
I wish he would have showed the last part of that a little better. The part where he said he tied a slip knot and pulled it up. I'm kinda foggy on that.
59.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53075]That's a neat little rig. You could add some more pulleys to that to make it even more powerful.
"The whole concept of pulleys is fascinating." Archimedes[/QUOTE]
You'd just have to keep them all straight, LOL
So, somebody check my math: If you could figure out how to add a single-channel pulley to a rig using a 4:1 multi-channel like the Cross Creek deer hoist, that makes it a 6:1?
I'll sit down now and watch the blackboard ...
"The whole concept of pulleys is fascinating." Archimedes[/QUOTE]
You'd just have to keep them all straight, LOL
So, somebody check my math: If you could figure out how to add a single-channel pulley to a rig using a 4:1 multi-channel like the Cross Creek deer hoist, that makes it a 6:1?
I'll sit down now and watch the blackboard ...
60.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
All he did was temporarily attach the line he would eventually pull the pack up with to the pack so it wouldn't run out when he lifted the top carabiners to height. It's the equivalent of kicking your extra rope out of the way until you need it to pull with.
If you watch it a couple of times, you'll get it.
If you watch it a couple of times, you'll get it.
61.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
I just looked on their website. The elk hoist is 9:1 ratio. I opted for the heavier duty model.
62.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53078]I wish he would have showed the last part of that a little better. The part where he said he tied a slip knot and pulled it up. I'm kinda foggy on that.[/QUOTE]
All he did was temporarily attach the line he would eventually pull the pack up with to the pack so it wouldn't run out when he lifted the top carabiners to height. It's the equivalent of kicking your extra rope out of the way until you need it to pull with. Not sure why he didn't tie another bowline just so as to not confuse the viewer, but it does take a few extra seconds to tie and really serves no purpose, since all you're trying to do is temporarily keep that end from running through.
If you watch it a couple of times, you'll get it.
All he did was temporarily attach the line he would eventually pull the pack up with to the pack so it wouldn't run out when he lifted the top carabiners to height. It's the equivalent of kicking your extra rope out of the way until you need it to pull with. Not sure why he didn't tie another bowline just so as to not confuse the viewer, but it does take a few extra seconds to tie and really serves no purpose, since all you're trying to do is temporarily keep that end from running through.
If you watch it a couple of times, you'll get it.
63.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53081]
I just looked on their website. The elk hoist is 9:1 ratio. I opted for the heavier duty model.[/QUOTE]
Oh, hell ... You're set for life, then. :-)
I just looked on their website. The elk hoist is 9:1 ratio. I opted for the heavier duty model.[/QUOTE]
Oh, hell ... You're set for life, then. :-)
64.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53082]All he did was temporarily attach the line he would eventually pull the pack up with to the pack so it wouldn't run out when he lifted the top carabiners to height. It's the equivalent of kicking your extra rope out of the way until you need it to pull with. Not sure why he didn't tie another bowline just so as to not confuse the viewer, but it does take a few extra seconds to tie and really serves no purpose, since all you're trying to do is temporarily keep that end from running through.
If you watch it a couple of times, you'll get it.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I got it now. Took a few times. I ain't the sharpest light bulb in the shed.
It would be fun if you had a bunch of pulleys to take an object of known weight and create a pulley system, test it, and then keep adding pulleys to see the difference in effort.
But who real nos this stuff anyway. Great video. Something as simple as understanding that concept could help you out of a jam. (loading a deer via ramp, getting a deer out of a ravine, hoisting your best girl in the pickup truck etc.)
If you watch it a couple of times, you'll get it.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I got it now. Took a few times. I ain't the sharpest light bulb in the shed.
It would be fun if you had a bunch of pulleys to take an object of known weight and create a pulley system, test it, and then keep adding pulleys to see the difference in effort.
But who real nos this stuff anyway. Great video. Something as simple as understanding that concept could help you out of a jam. (loading a deer via ramp, getting a deer out of a ravine, hoisting your best girl in the pickup truck etc.)
65.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
I'm not mechanically inclined, so the only way I learn any of this stuff is by seeing it and then practicing ....sometimes many times, LOL.
As a friend of mine says: "You're not used to working construction." :p
And then it's a matter of remembering stuff, especially if I only use it once in a blue moon. You should see me trying to tie knots I know but don't use more than a couple of times a month, LOL. I've been relearning some knots for 40 years. :groan:
The thing that sometimes confuses me about pullleys is figuring out the mechanical advantage or ratios. I'm not even sure they're always the same thing. I always thought you counted lines to figure it out--not pulleys--but every once in a while I see explanations requiring you to count "movable pulleys" or sometimes "movable" isn't even specified.
So, in my picture above which I identified as a 3:1, you can count the working lines (up and down) and get 3. I've seen formulas that (to me) seem to say that's a 4:1, though (# of pulleys X 2) which I believe is wildly incorrect, or 2:1 (# moveable pulleys X 2). But a one-pulley system isn't 2:1, as far as I know. A system is only 2:1 when one pulley is rigged to move toward another (I think).
Maybe it's the way that "3:1" rig is laid out that makes the 4:1 calculation invalid, rather than an incorrectly stated formula. Again, one movable pulley moving toward another would seem to be a 2:1, never 4:1. (Somebody set me straight if that's wrong!) I think that 3:1 is somewhat like an in-line roller system where friction is reduced more than force required is. So maybe the formula for that is # pulleys X (# wheel teams X 1.5) = MA ... LOL. Or, maybe it's just misidentified as a 3:1 !
Okay, now my head hurts. :groan: All you mechanical engineers out there go easy on me, LOL
Bluecat, you should post pics of your 9:1 hoist as a brain teaser. First guy to figure out how to explain it to me (without counting lines that total 9) wins a lollipop.
As a friend of mine says: "You're not used to working construction." :p
And then it's a matter of remembering stuff, especially if I only use it once in a blue moon. You should see me trying to tie knots I know but don't use more than a couple of times a month, LOL. I've been relearning some knots for 40 years. :groan:
The thing that sometimes confuses me about pullleys is figuring out the mechanical advantage or ratios. I'm not even sure they're always the same thing. I always thought you counted lines to figure it out--not pulleys--but every once in a while I see explanations requiring you to count "movable pulleys" or sometimes "movable" isn't even specified.
So, in my picture above which I identified as a 3:1, you can count the working lines (up and down) and get 3. I've seen formulas that (to me) seem to say that's a 4:1, though (# of pulleys X 2) which I believe is wildly incorrect, or 2:1 (# moveable pulleys X 2). But a one-pulley system isn't 2:1, as far as I know. A system is only 2:1 when one pulley is rigged to move toward another (I think).
Maybe it's the way that "3:1" rig is laid out that makes the 4:1 calculation invalid, rather than an incorrectly stated formula. Again, one movable pulley moving toward another would seem to be a 2:1, never 4:1. (Somebody set me straight if that's wrong!) I think that 3:1 is somewhat like an in-line roller system where friction is reduced more than force required is. So maybe the formula for that is # pulleys X (# wheel teams X 1.5) = MA ... LOL. Or, maybe it's just misidentified as a 3:1 !
Okay, now my head hurts. :groan: All you mechanical engineers out there go easy on me, LOL
Bluecat, you should post pics of your 9:1 hoist as a brain teaser. First guy to figure out how to explain it to me (without counting lines that total 9) wins a lollipop.
66.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
I understand what you are saying and unless I see things working a lot of times it's just Greek (damn Greeks, what have they ever done for us?)
[url]http://forums.huntingcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?1458-How-they-hanging-part-too[/url]
This is the video you posted awhile back but utilizes only two pulleys so a little different twist on the same theme.
I like to diagram stuff on paper. It helps me remember and easily refreshes my memory. I am constantly tying and reviewing knots. It does take repetition.
[url]http://forums.huntingcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?1458-How-they-hanging-part-too[/url]
This is the video you posted awhile back but utilizes only two pulleys so a little different twist on the same theme.
I like to diagram stuff on paper. It helps me remember and easily refreshes my memory. I am constantly tying and reviewing knots. It does take repetition.
67.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
This is kind of neat. The gun tackle configuration is exactly what the video in the previous post looks like. Two pulleys, 2:1
68.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
Have to look at the hoist tonight, but it looks like 9 pulleys, 5 on top 4 on the bottom. The one pulley is hidden behind the metal piece that jams the line.
69.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
Sometimes I understand a diagram and other times I don't. Depends on who's drawing the diagram, I think.
I tried to draw the hoist system I mentioned last night, where the rope goes over and under the vehicle (or under and over) and gave up so quickly I'm embarrassed to even mention it. I guess I just don't remember the main idea worth a darn.
This 3:1 vs 2:1 thing is really starting to bug me now. The only thing I can think of is that (maybe) there's an extra change of direction there that wouldn't be involved if the "moveable" pulley were right at the load. I'll have to go back and look at the picture again to see if that's right, and if I'm saying in words what my brain is telling me, LOL.
I tried to draw the hoist system I mentioned last night, where the rope goes over and under the vehicle (or under and over) and gave up so quickly I'm embarrassed to even mention it. I guess I just don't remember the main idea worth a darn.
This 3:1 vs 2:1 thing is really starting to bug me now. The only thing I can think of is that (maybe) there's an extra change of direction there that wouldn't be involved if the "moveable" pulley were right at the load. I'll have to go back and look at the picture again to see if that's right, and if I'm saying in words what my brain is telling me, LOL.
70.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53087]
This is kind of neat. The gun tackle configuration is exactly what the video in the previous post looks like. Two pulleys, 2:1[/QUOTE]
Ha! That's a great diagram. Proves I was wrong that a one-pulley system can't ever be 2:1, for one thing. It depends on whether the pulley is at the anchor or at the load, dummy! So, some one-pulleys can be 2:1 and others can't.
Also, that I had the wrong idea of what "moveable" means when you see the term "moveable pulley."
Looks like counting lines can lead you astray, as well, at least the way I do it.
So I'm 0-3 ... LOL
I still don't get how my 3:1 pic is really 3:1, though, without counting lines. Must have something to do with the change of direction.
This is kind of neat. The gun tackle configuration is exactly what the video in the previous post looks like. Two pulleys, 2:1[/QUOTE]
Ha! That's a great diagram. Proves I was wrong that a one-pulley system can't ever be 2:1, for one thing. It depends on whether the pulley is at the anchor or at the load, dummy! So, some one-pulleys can be 2:1 and others can't.
Also, that I had the wrong idea of what "moveable" means when you see the term "moveable pulley."
Looks like counting lines can lead you astray, as well, at least the way I do it.
So I'm 0-3 ... LOL
I still don't get how my 3:1 pic is really 3:1, though, without counting lines. Must have something to do with the change of direction.
71.) DParker - 11/14/2017
72.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
LOL ... That's classic.
73.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
74.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
F (see me)
75.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
76.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
77.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
I can rest easy now, knowing you're not plotting anything.
78.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
79.) bluecat - 11/14/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53097]I can rest easy now, knowing you're not plotting anything.[/QUOTE]
This whole thread is shaping up nicely.
This whole thread is shaping up nicely.
80.) Swamp Fox - 11/14/2017
81.) Swamp Fox - 11/15/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53099]This whole thread is shaping up nicely.[/QUOTE]
Today's topic:
The Wheel: Primitive Man's Priceless Gift To Civilization, Or Death Trap?
Today's topic:
The Wheel: Primitive Man's Priceless Gift To Civilization, Or Death Trap?
82.) bluecat - 11/15/2017
83.) bluecat - 11/15/2017
Although cave men didn't have cars, the wheel did give rise to much more useful items for the clans such as this early pizza slicer.
84.) Swamp Fox - 11/15/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53104]
[/QUOTE]
From the book [I]Cave Drawings: Timeless Truths Of Human History[/I]
From the book [I]Cave Drawings: Timeless Truths Of Human History[/I]
85.) bluecat - 11/15/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53105]
Although cave men didn't have cars, the wheel did give rise to much more useful items for the clans such as this early pizza slicer.[/QUOTE]
I should have probably pointed out that even the earlier prototypes were dishwasher safe.
Although cave men didn't have cars, the wheel did give rise to much more useful items for the clans such as this early pizza slicer.[/QUOTE]
I should have probably pointed out that even the earlier prototypes were dishwasher safe.
86.) DParker - 11/15/2017
An actual product, as it turns out...
[URL="http://www.tezkarshop.com/the-stone-age-caveman-pizza-wheel-pizza-cutter-pizza-slicer-with-leather-strap.php"]http://www.tezkarshop.com/the-stone-age-caveman-pizza-wheel-pizza-cutter-pizza-slicer-with-leather-strap.php[/URL]
[URL="http://www.tezkarshop.com/the-stone-age-caveman-pizza-wheel-pizza-cutter-pizza-slicer-with-leather-strap.php"]http://www.tezkarshop.com/the-stone-age-caveman-pizza-wheel-pizza-cutter-pizza-slicer-with-leather-strap.php[/URL]
87.) bluecat - 11/15/2017
Yes, and was especially helpful when cutting the "meat lovers" pizza that comes with free-range pteryldactyl, saber-tooth tiger and 3-toed horse.
88.) Swamp Fox - 11/15/2017
Turns out "Tastes like chicken" is one of man's oldest expressions:
89.) DParker - 11/15/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53121]Yes, and was especially helpful when cutting the "meat lovers" pizza that comes with free-range pteryldactyl, saber-tooth tiger and 3-toed horse.[/QUOTE]
I was really upset when Pizza Hut dropped Eohippus as a topping option.
I was really upset when Pizza Hut dropped Eohippus as a topping option.
90.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
Fresh toppings. Delivered in 225 million years or less, or it's free.
Order online, by phone or smoke signal ...
91.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
+3 for both
92.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
"Um, excuse me waitress, there's a trilobite in my pizza."
93.) DParker - 11/16/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53126]"Um, excuse me waitress, there's a trilobite in my pizza."[/QUOTE]
Shhhhhh!!!! Everybody will want one!
Shhhhhh!!!! Everybody will want one!
94.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
If you can't finish it, ask for a borophagus bag.
95.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
"Give me a half phytosaur and half uatchitodon, and make it [B]snappy![/B]
I'm in a goddamn hurry!"
I'm in a goddamn hurry!"
96.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
"Yes, I'll have the brontosaurus fillet in the fern and juniper berry reduction sauce. What wine would you recommend? Do you have anything from the pleistocene era?"
97.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53128]If you can't finish it, ask for a borophagus bag.[/QUOTE]
+ 3. That was a new one on me. LOL!
+ 3. That was a new one on me. LOL!
98.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
Glorck: "There was another clubbing last night down by the creek."
Ronk: "They should get rid of all the clubs. This whole valley would be a lot safer."
Glorck: "How would we live?"
99.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
So what you're saying is cave drawings were better than coding...
:wink
:wink
100.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
This drawing, found on a cave wall in Bangalore, has been interpreted as asking "Have you tried turning it off and then turning it back on?"
101.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
Progressing backwards:
:wink
:wink
:wink
:wink
102.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53136]
This drawing, found on a cave wall in Bangalore, has been interpreted as asking "Have you tried turning it off and then turning it back on?"[/QUOTE]
Lol! Possibly, either that or "have you checked the power cord?"
This drawing, found on a cave wall in Bangalore, has been interpreted as asking "Have you tried turning it off and then turning it back on?"[/QUOTE]
Lol! Possibly, either that or "have you checked the power cord?"
103.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
"Don't worry, sir. My name is Steve, and I will be helping you solve all your problems today in a prompt and courteous manner."
104.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
"Up yours Steve!"
105.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
LOL!
106.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
"Looky here, It's control + alt + delete. It's not that hard. It's so easy that even...um...never mind."
107.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
"All you do is count the number of lines pulling in the opposite direction to calculate the mechanical advantage. I can't believe you didn't learn this when you were young."
108.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
LOL ...
"But that's not really true. Here, let me diagram it for you ... Rats! I'm out of red ochre. But there is also a good thread about this on HuntingCountry."
"But that's not really true. Here, let me diagram it for you ... Rats! I'm out of red ochre. But there is also a good thread about this on HuntingCountry."
109.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53147]LOL ...
"But that's not really true. Here, let me diagram it for you ... Rats! I'm out of red ochre. But there is also a good thread about this on HuntingCountry."[/QUOTE]
+ 3 LOL!
"But that's not really true. Here, let me diagram it for you ... Rats! I'm out of red ochre. But there is also a good thread about this on HuntingCountry."[/QUOTE]
+ 3 LOL!
110.) bluecat - 11/16/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53147]LOL ...
"But that's not really true. Here, let me diagram it for you ... Rats! I'm out of red ochre. But there is also a good thread about this on HuntingCountry."[/QUOTE]
I tried to get on there the other day but it was just so much fluff.
"But that's not really true. Here, let me diagram it for you ... Rats! I'm out of red ochre. But there is also a good thread about this on HuntingCountry."[/QUOTE]
I tried to get on there the other day but it was just so much fluff.
111.) Swamp Fox - 11/16/2017
They have other stuff! ... You should try them on the weekend!
112.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
Just looked at the hoist again and there are 9 pulleys. So it looks like you can take the number of pulleys (as long as they oppose each other) to determine the ratio of mechanical advantage.
113.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
I'm willing to believe that works most of the time, especially based on your previous diagram. I can say the same thing about counting lines. But if this is really a 3:1 as described in the accompanying text, the line-counting method applies but the pulley-counting method doesn't:
As I said somewhere up above, I wonder if there's a change of direction there that makes a difference in the calculation.
As I said somewhere up above, I wonder if there's a change of direction there that makes a difference in the calculation.
114.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
Is there some of the picture missing?
115.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
No. The tag end on the upper right is what gets pulled.
[COLOR="#FF0000"][Edit: I no longer think you pull the 3:1 from the upper right rope. The line at upper right is not the tag end, but rather the load end. Once the load is cinched there, you connect the carabiner and pulley on the right to it. You pull down from the pulley on the left, through the prussic, I think. See posts from # 118 on.] [/COLOR]
But note that this rig is not like the rigs in your previous diagram. I believe this one is a completely closed system, with no tag end. You're pullling on a loop below the carabiner on the left, in my current way of thinking.
I can identify the 2:1 in your diagram by lines or pulleys. I can identify the diagrammed 3:1 by lines or pulleys. I can identify the 4:1 by pulleys, but not by lines. This 3:1 in the photo can't be identified by pulleys, but can be by lines.
That's assuming it really is a 3:1, as the author claims. He supposedly moved a 500 lb. elk with it, so presumably he could tell the difference between hauling 250 and 133 pounds.
I bet if Luv2 were here, he could explain it. :p
[COLOR="#FF0000"][Edit: I no longer think you pull the 3:1 from the upper right rope. The line at upper right is not the tag end, but rather the load end. Once the load is cinched there, you connect the carabiner and pulley on the right to it. You pull down from the pulley on the left, through the prussic, I think. See posts from # 118 on.] [/COLOR]
But note that this rig is not like the rigs in your previous diagram. I believe this one is a completely closed system, with no tag end. You're pullling on a loop below the carabiner on the left, in my current way of thinking.
I can identify the 2:1 in your diagram by lines or pulleys. I can identify the diagrammed 3:1 by lines or pulleys. I can identify the 4:1 by pulleys, but not by lines. This 3:1 in the photo can't be identified by pulleys, but can be by lines.
That's assuming it really is a 3:1, as the author claims. He supposedly moved a 500 lb. elk with it, so presumably he could tell the difference between hauling 250 and 133 pounds.
I bet if Luv2 were here, he could explain it. :p
116.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
Original post deleted.
[COLOR="#FF0000"][Edit: I now no longer think you pull the 3:1 from the load. I think the line at upper right in the pic goes to the load and that you pull down from the pulley on the left. See posts from # 118 on.] [/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"][Edit: I now no longer think you pull the 3:1 from the load. I think the line at upper right in the pic goes to the load and that you pull down from the pulley on the left. See posts from # 118 on.] [/COLOR]
117.) DParker - 11/17/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53166]Just looked at the hoist again and there are 9 pulleys.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but....there are...[B][I]4 lights!!![/I][/B]
Maybe, but....there are...[B][I]4 lights!!![/I][/B]
118.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;53167]I'm willing to believe that works most of the time, especially based on your previous diagram. I can say the same thing about counting lines. But if this is really a 3:1 as described in the accompanying text, the line-counting method applies but the pulley-counting method doesn't:
As I said somewhere up above, I wonder if there's a change of direction there that makes a difference in the calculation.
[/QUOTE]
If you look at that picture and pull the tag end from the upper right wouldn't the prussic knot get jammed in the pulley eventually? That is what is making me question this rig a bit. Is the person doing the pulling, pulling a little bit and then adjusting the prussic knots?
As I said somewhere up above, I wonder if there's a change of direction there that makes a difference in the calculation.
[/QUOTE]
If you look at that picture and pull the tag end from the upper right wouldn't the prussic knot get jammed in the pulley eventually? That is what is making me question this rig a bit. Is the person doing the pulling, pulling a little bit and then adjusting the prussic knots?
119.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
Huh. That whole second prussic was bothering me, too. It's attached to the carabiner, not the housing of the pulley, but I still couldn't figure out the purpose (except as an extra keeper, but that doesn't really wash either, because what you're pointing out would be too much of a PITA). Again, I was assuming pulling from the upper right. But now I think that's wrong.
I went back and re-read the description without caffeine and before my day started ---though that does not mean my mind is any clearer than usual, LOL --- and now I think you pull from the bottom where the biner and that odd knot are. I think that biner is attached to the biner on the pulley at the right, which is in turn attached to the load (wherever the line at upper right terminates). You are then pulling rope through the prussic and dropping it as a closed loop. I don't think there is any tag end in this system if I've finally got it right.
Coming back to your question about whether anything is missing from the picture, I imagine the line at upper right would terminate in some type of cinching or bowline knot at the load, with or without a third carabiner. The carabiner on the pulley at right would attach there. My bad for assuming the part not pictured has nothing to do with attachment to the load, but from the description I now think it's evident that the line at upper right goes to the load, which leaves the rope at bottom to be used for pulling.
[QUOTE]We needed a 3:1 pulley system. A 3:1 pulley system is simply one long rope attached to the load (the elk – around the shoulders in our case), with the other end of the rope going through a pulley attached to the back of the truck bed, and that same rope end going through a 2nd pulley attached to the same point on the load. There needs to be enough rope length left to adequately pull from within the truck bed. Three ropes make a pull of 133 pounds. The pulleys are secured using a Prusik Hitch knot. I'll not detail how to tie this knot within this tip as it is not mandatory to use it. We also used carabiners as extra weight load safety but this is not mandatory as well.
[url]http://www.biggamehunt.net/tips/lift-big-game-ease[/url][/QUOTE]
I went back and re-read the description without caffeine and before my day started ---though that does not mean my mind is any clearer than usual, LOL --- and now I think you pull from the bottom where the biner and that odd knot are. I think that biner is attached to the biner on the pulley at the right, which is in turn attached to the load (wherever the line at upper right terminates). You are then pulling rope through the prussic and dropping it as a closed loop. I don't think there is any tag end in this system if I've finally got it right.
Coming back to your question about whether anything is missing from the picture, I imagine the line at upper right would terminate in some type of cinching or bowline knot at the load, with or without a third carabiner. The carabiner on the pulley at right would attach there. My bad for assuming the part not pictured has nothing to do with attachment to the load, but from the description I now think it's evident that the line at upper right goes to the load, which leaves the rope at bottom to be used for pulling.
[QUOTE]We needed a 3:1 pulley system. A 3:1 pulley system is simply one long rope attached to the load (the elk – around the shoulders in our case), with the other end of the rope going through a pulley attached to the back of the truck bed, and that same rope end going through a 2nd pulley attached to the same point on the load. There needs to be enough rope length left to adequately pull from within the truck bed. Three ropes make a pull of 133 pounds. The pulleys are secured using a Prusik Hitch knot. I'll not detail how to tie this knot within this tip as it is not mandatory to use it. We also used carabiners as extra weight load safety but this is not mandatory as well.
[url]http://www.biggamehunt.net/tips/lift-big-game-ease[/url][/QUOTE]
120.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
I'm thinking those prussics now (after pondering a bit) acts as a two-fold jam so one can let off the pull line and the elk/deer will hang without tying it off. It would take two people to winch though -one to pull, one to adjust prussics each step of the way. I think it's clever, but as to the 3:1 thing. I dunno.
I'm no meterologist.
...and I see 5 lights DP!
I'm no meterologist.
...and I see 5 lights DP!
121.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
Huh. That whole second prussic was bothering me, too. It's attached to the carabiner, not the housing of the pulley, but I still couldn't figure out the purpose (except as an extra keeper, but that doesn't really wash either, because what you're pointing out would be too much of a PITA). Again, I was assuming pulling from the upper right. But now I think that's wrong, and that I've finally got it.
I went back and re-read the description without caffeine and before my day started ---though that does not mean my mind is any clearer than usual, LOL --- and now I think you pull from the line below the prussic on the left side. I think the bottom biner with the odd knot (figure 8 plus a fisherman or stopper?) is attached to the biner on the pulley at the right, which is in turn attached to the load (wherever the line at upper right terminates). You are then pulling rope down through the prussic at upper left and dropping it as a closed loop. I don't think there is any tag end in this system if I've finally got it right.
Coming back to your question about whether anything is missing from the picture, I imagine the line at upper right would terminate in some type of cinching or bowline knot at the load, with or without a third carabiner. The carabiner on the pulley at right would attach there. My bad for assuming the part not pictured has nothing to do with attachment to the load, but from the description I now think it's evident that the line at upper right goes to the load, which leaves the opposite end to be used for pulling.
[QUOTE]We needed a 3:1 pulley system. A 3:1 pulley system is simply one long rope attached to the load (the elk – around the shoulders in our case), with the other end of the rope going through a pulley attached to the back of the truck bed, and that same rope end going through a 2nd pulley attached to the same point on the load. There needs to be enough rope length left to adequately pull from within the truck bed. Three ropes make a pull of 133 pounds. The pulleys are secured using a Prusik Hitch knot. I'll not detail how to tie this knot within this tip as it is not mandatory to use it. We also used carabiners as extra weight load safety but this is not mandatory as well.
[url]http://www.biggamehunt.net/tips/lift-big-game-ease[/url][/QUOTE]
I went back and re-read the description without caffeine and before my day started ---though that does not mean my mind is any clearer than usual, LOL --- and now I think you pull from the line below the prussic on the left side. I think the bottom biner with the odd knot (figure 8 plus a fisherman or stopper?) is attached to the biner on the pulley at the right, which is in turn attached to the load (wherever the line at upper right terminates). You are then pulling rope down through the prussic at upper left and dropping it as a closed loop. I don't think there is any tag end in this system if I've finally got it right.
Coming back to your question about whether anything is missing from the picture, I imagine the line at upper right would terminate in some type of cinching or bowline knot at the load, with or without a third carabiner. The carabiner on the pulley at right would attach there. My bad for assuming the part not pictured has nothing to do with attachment to the load, but from the description I now think it's evident that the line at upper right goes to the load, which leaves the opposite end to be used for pulling.
[QUOTE]We needed a 3:1 pulley system. A 3:1 pulley system is simply one long rope attached to the load (the elk – around the shoulders in our case), with the other end of the rope going through a pulley attached to the back of the truck bed, and that same rope end going through a 2nd pulley attached to the same point on the load. There needs to be enough rope length left to adequately pull from within the truck bed. Three ropes make a pull of 133 pounds. The pulleys are secured using a Prusik Hitch knot. I'll not detail how to tie this knot within this tip as it is not mandatory to use it. We also used carabiners as extra weight load safety but this is not mandatory as well.
[url]http://www.biggamehunt.net/tips/lift-big-game-ease[/url][/QUOTE]
122.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
I think I've put my final meaningful edit to #118 just now, so give it a final read and let me know what you think. 10:55 AM Eastern.
123.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
I think you are right about the fisherman's knot. Other than that I'd just have to see the whole thing in action. Wish they would have illustrated it maybe a little better. I'm dizzy, I'll tell ya that. I even took the picture into a image editing program and flipped it upside down thinking the author screwed up.
124.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
I might try it this weekend. I just got some new rope for something else, but I don't think I have any pullleys big enough. Have to go to Lowes for charcoal anyway, so ...
There's a reason I didn't go into engineering ...
There's a reason I didn't go into engineering ...
125.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
LOL!
126.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53174]I'm thinking those prussics now (after pondering a bit) acts as a two-fold jam so one can let off the pull line and the elk/deer will hang without tying it off. It would take two people to winch though -one to pull, one to adjust prussics each step of the way. I think it's clever, but as to the 3:1 thing. I dunno.
[/QUOTE]
The prussic at left seems uneccessary except as a locator and adjustable "lock" for positioning that pulley on the rope, but I hadn't thought of the jam idea. Clever if true. Haven't thought through the two-people idea yet, either. LOL.
[QUOTE=bluecat;53177]I think you are right about the fisherman's knot. [/QUOTE]
I think it started off as some type of stopper knot, with a loop added, which I don't think I've seen before. Since there are cleaner and simpler knots for attaching single carabiners, I don't think its initial purpose was for that one carabiner alone.
[/QUOTE]
The prussic at left seems uneccessary except as a locator and adjustable "lock" for positioning that pulley on the rope, but I hadn't thought of the jam idea. Clever if true. Haven't thought through the two-people idea yet, either. LOL.
[QUOTE=bluecat;53177]I think you are right about the fisherman's knot. [/QUOTE]
I think it started off as some type of stopper knot, with a loop added, which I don't think I've seen before. Since there are cleaner and simpler knots for attaching single carabiners, I don't think its initial purpose was for that one carabiner alone.
127.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53179]LOL![/QUOTE]
Only thing better for that picture would have been if there were a Bronco in it ...
Only thing better for that picture would have been if there were a Bronco in it ...
128.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
I'm going to mention this about the fisherman's knot. It's a great knot for tying two lines together. Very secure. But to tie it from one end only, with one end, doesn't make any sense and would be almost impossible to tie. It looks like a fisherman's knot as you pointed out (and I originally thought) but I'm guessing it is some sort of half hitch thingy.
129.) DParker - 11/17/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53182]I'm going to mention this about the fisherman's knot. It's a great knot for tying two lines together. Very secure. But to tie it from one end only, with one end, doesn't make any sense and would be almost impossible to tie. It looks like a fisherman's knot as you pointed out (and I originally thought) but I'm guessing it is some sort of half hitch thingy.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;VOXCtLB5Ksk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOXCtLB5Ksk[/video]
[video=youtube;VOXCtLB5Ksk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOXCtLB5Ksk[/video]
130.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
LOL! The rabbit comes out of the hole, goes around the tree, then back into the hole.
..the whole cave thing really threw me for a loop...
..the whole cave thing really threw me for a loop...
131.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
132.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53182]I'm going to mention this about the fisherman's knot. It's a great knot for tying two lines together. Very secure. But to tie it from one end only, with one end, doesn't make any sense and would be almost impossible to tie. It looks like a fisherman's knot as you pointed out (and I originally thought) but I'm guessing it is some sort of half hitch thingy.[/QUOTE]
That's where I was going with that, but in the back of my mind I'm pretty sure I've seen "fisherman's or double fisherman's" used for single lines for something. I could be wrong. Topics where it could have come up lately would be stopper knots, lineman's belts (flip lines), attachment of carabiners, climbing stick or ladder step modifications and maybe one or two other things I've been up to in the last few months.
The main benefit to me of something like the pic is if it could serve as a strong loop as well as a stopper, because I don't know how to make that combination at the moment, or off the top of my head in theory.
That's where I was going with that, but in the back of my mind I'm pretty sure I've seen "fisherman's or double fisherman's" used for single lines for something. I could be wrong. Topics where it could have come up lately would be stopper knots, lineman's belts (flip lines), attachment of carabiners, climbing stick or ladder step modifications and maybe one or two other things I've been up to in the last few months.
The main benefit to me of something like the pic is if it could serve as a strong loop as well as a stopper, because I don't know how to make that combination at the moment, or off the top of my head in theory.
133.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
The fisherman's knot is really a nice knot, wouldn't you agree?
134.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
There was a funny cartoon I saw a while back about knot-tying using the rabbit method.
Might have been a Far Side.
This is the modern version:
I'll keep looking for the rabbit. In the meantime:
Might have been a Far Side.
This is the modern version:
I'll keep looking for the rabbit. In the meantime:
135.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
Those are great!
136.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
Double and then single fisherman's knot used as a stopper (double recommended and preferred):
137.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
That's a new one one me. Thanks for posting that.
138.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
Dangly bits, figure of 8, he must be from Nebraska.
139.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;53187]
The fisherman's knot is really a nice knot, wouldn't you agree?[/QUOTE]
Don't get me started ... LOL
I like this version and video especially well:
:ach:
The fisherman's knot is really a nice knot, wouldn't you agree?[/QUOTE]
Don't get me started ... LOL
I like this version and video especially well:
:ach:
140.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
Victory!
141.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
Here are two easy stopper knots, and a stopper with a loop (more complicated).
[QUOTE]The stopper knot is very handy in several situations. For instance you could tie one in the end of the rope it stop it unexpectedly passing through the belay/abseil device. Use it to backup your figure eight follow through tie in knot. Two stopper knots are used to make the double fishermans for joining two ropes.
[url]http://www.chockstone.org/TechTips/Stopper.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]How to tie the Stopper Knot. A stopper knot is tied at the end of a rope to prevent the end from unraveling, slipping through another knot, or passing back through a hole, block or a device. This version, the Ashley Stopper knot, also known as the Oysterman's stopper, is a knot developed by Clifford Ashley around 1910. It makes a well-balanced trefoil-faced stopper at the end of the rope, giving greater resistance to pulling through an opening than other common stoppers. Essentially, the knot is a common Overhand noose, but with the end of the rope passing through the noose eye, which closes upon it. Also see the Double Overhand Stopper Knot.
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.animatedknots.com/stopperloop/[/url]
[QUOTE]The stopper knot is very handy in several situations. For instance you could tie one in the end of the rope it stop it unexpectedly passing through the belay/abseil device. Use it to backup your figure eight follow through tie in knot. Two stopper knots are used to make the double fishermans for joining two ropes.
[url]http://www.chockstone.org/TechTips/Stopper.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]How to tie the Stopper Knot. A stopper knot is tied at the end of a rope to prevent the end from unraveling, slipping through another knot, or passing back through a hole, block or a device. This version, the Ashley Stopper knot, also known as the Oysterman's stopper, is a knot developed by Clifford Ashley around 1910. It makes a well-balanced trefoil-faced stopper at the end of the rope, giving greater resistance to pulling through an opening than other common stoppers. Essentially, the knot is a common Overhand noose, but with the end of the rope passing through the noose eye, which closes upon it. Also see the Double Overhand Stopper Knot.
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.animatedknots.com/stopperloop/[/url]
142.) bluecat - 11/17/2017
Thanks, I didn't realize that the fisherman's knot was used also as a stopper. That's where I wasn't making the connection. Good information and I'll remember that one.
143.) Swamp Fox - 11/17/2017
I'm having a brain aneurysm with that stopper loop ...