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1.) Swamp Fox - 07/20/2017
A week or so ago there was a story going around, including video, of some guys fishing from the bank in a community park, confronted by vegan activists because [I]It's Not Food, It's Violence[/I]; [I]Fish Feel Pain[/I]; [I]You Wouldn't Do This To A Human Baby, Would You?[/I], etc.
There is video at the first link, and the two stories combined give a pretty complete picture.
[url]http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/video-florida-family-harassed-animal-rights-group-while-fishing/vqsjU2DoBUfbkjUD4mxwXN/[/url]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/14/animal-rights-activists-confront-florida-fishermen-over-suffocating-tilapia-in-viral-video.html[/url]
Or you can just watch this to get the general idea:
Cops did nothing, and as far as I can tell it probably won't go anywhere despite the video. They might be looking into it further, but I've seen no evidence. Turns out Florida's law against hunter and fisherman harassment isn't that strong (I looked it up) and has a glaring and dumbfounding omission: it leaves private land completely out of the protection. There are some additional bizarrities in Florida that I won't get into here, but you get the idea.
So I was wondering: What's the situation with harassment and/or protections/enforcement where you are, for hunting, fishing, and trapping? Any weird rules about boating?
Florida, like New Hampshire, protects hunting and fishing by statute, but doesn't go as far as protecting them constitutionally. Twenty-one states guarantee the right to hunt and fish in their constitutions, with twenty of those approved via the voters. Vermont's provision was first in 1777, and the rest have passed since the mid-1990s: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Fishing is constitutionally protected in California and Rhode Island, but there is no such language in either state to protect hunting. Alaska apparently has strong-enough language in its constitution regarding wildlife and water use and a favorable history of case law that even though not explicitly protected, hunting, fishing and trapping seem on solid ground there. (I have not had a chance to look into trapping protections elsewhere.)
There is video at the first link, and the two stories combined give a pretty complete picture.
[url]http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/video-florida-family-harassed-animal-rights-group-while-fishing/vqsjU2DoBUfbkjUD4mxwXN/[/url]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/14/animal-rights-activists-confront-florida-fishermen-over-suffocating-tilapia-in-viral-video.html[/url]
Or you can just watch this to get the general idea:
Cops did nothing, and as far as I can tell it probably won't go anywhere despite the video. They might be looking into it further, but I've seen no evidence. Turns out Florida's law against hunter and fisherman harassment isn't that strong (I looked it up) and has a glaring and dumbfounding omission: it leaves private land completely out of the protection. There are some additional bizarrities in Florida that I won't get into here, but you get the idea.
So I was wondering: What's the situation with harassment and/or protections/enforcement where you are, for hunting, fishing, and trapping? Any weird rules about boating?
Florida, like New Hampshire, protects hunting and fishing by statute, but doesn't go as far as protecting them constitutionally. Twenty-one states guarantee the right to hunt and fish in their constitutions, with twenty of those approved via the voters. Vermont's provision was first in 1777, and the rest have passed since the mid-1990s: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Fishing is constitutionally protected in California and Rhode Island, but there is no such language in either state to protect hunting. Alaska apparently has strong-enough language in its constitution regarding wildlife and water use and a favorable history of case law that even though not explicitly protected, hunting, fishing and trapping seem on solid ground there. (I have not had a chance to look into trapping protections elsewhere.)
2.) DParker - 07/20/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50172]Turns out Florida's law against hunter and fisherman harassment isn't that strong (I looked it up) and has a glaring and dumbfounding omission: it leaves private land completely out of the protection.[/quote]
While explicit protection would be better, I would think that you could at least rely on trespassing statutes to cover private land incidents.
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50172]So I was wondering: What's the situation with harassment and/or protections/enforcement where you are, for hunting, fishing, and trapping? Any weird rules about boating? [/quote]
Pretty good.
[quote]Sec. 62.0125. HARASSMENT OF HUNTERS, TRAPPERS, AND FISHERMEN. (a) This section may be cited as the Sportsman's Rights Act.
(b) In this section:
(1) "Wildlife" means all species of wild mammals, birds, fish, reptiles, or amphibians.
(2) "Process of hunting or catching" means any act directed at the lawful hunting or catching of wildlife, including camping or other acts preparatory to hunting or catching of wildlife that occur on land or water on which the affected person has the right or privilege of hunting or catching that wildlife.
(c) No person may intentionally interfere with another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife.
(d) No person may intentionally harass, drive, or disturb any wildlife for the purpose of disrupting a person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife.
(e) No person may enter or remain on public land or enter or remain on private land without the landowner's or his agent's consent if the person intends to disrupt another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife.
(f) This section does not apply to a peace officer of this state, a law enforcement officer of the United States, a member of the armed forces of the United States or of this state, or employees of the department or other state or federal agencies having statutory responsibility to manage wildlife or land during the time that the officer, member, or employee is in the actual discharge of official duties.
(g) A person who violates this section commits an offense. An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.
(h) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution that the defendant's conduct is protected by the right to freedom of speech under the constitution of this state or the United States.[/quote]
Plus the constitutional protection you already mentioned. The penalty for violating the above statue is only a class C misdemeanor, but it's better than nothing. And of course, there's always, "Your Honor, I was in fear for my life." (I'm probably not being serious about that one, as far as you know.)
While explicit protection would be better, I would think that you could at least rely on trespassing statutes to cover private land incidents.
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50172]So I was wondering: What's the situation with harassment and/or protections/enforcement where you are, for hunting, fishing, and trapping? Any weird rules about boating? [/quote]
Pretty good.
[quote]Sec. 62.0125. HARASSMENT OF HUNTERS, TRAPPERS, AND FISHERMEN. (a) This section may be cited as the Sportsman's Rights Act.
(b) In this section:
(1) "Wildlife" means all species of wild mammals, birds, fish, reptiles, or amphibians.
(2) "Process of hunting or catching" means any act directed at the lawful hunting or catching of wildlife, including camping or other acts preparatory to hunting or catching of wildlife that occur on land or water on which the affected person has the right or privilege of hunting or catching that wildlife.
(c) No person may intentionally interfere with another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife.
(d) No person may intentionally harass, drive, or disturb any wildlife for the purpose of disrupting a person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife.
(e) No person may enter or remain on public land or enter or remain on private land without the landowner's or his agent's consent if the person intends to disrupt another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife.
(f) This section does not apply to a peace officer of this state, a law enforcement officer of the United States, a member of the armed forces of the United States or of this state, or employees of the department or other state or federal agencies having statutory responsibility to manage wildlife or land during the time that the officer, member, or employee is in the actual discharge of official duties.
(g) A person who violates this section commits an offense. An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.
(h) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution that the defendant's conduct is protected by the right to freedom of speech under the constitution of this state or the United States.[/quote]
Plus the constitutional protection you already mentioned. The penalty for violating the above statue is only a class C misdemeanor, but it's better than nothing. And of course, there's always, "Your Honor, I was in fear for my life." (I'm probably not being serious about that one, as far as you know.)
3.) Swamp Fox - 07/20/2017
[QUOTE=DParker;50173]The penalty for violating the above statue is only a class C misdemeanor, but it's better than nothing. And of course, there's always, "Your Honor, I was in fear for my life." (I'm probably not being serious about that one, as far as you know.)[/QUOTE]
If that's not believable, you could always claim you were startled. Let's see how that works out in Minnesota. (LOL---:re:)
[QUOTE=DParker;50173]While explicit protection would be better, I would think that you could at least rely on trespassing statutes to cover private land incidents. [/QUOTE]
I thought of that, and come to find out that's what Fla. wildlife says would be the charge. Just trespass. But I don't understand why you would design the law that way. I can't believe trespass is any more vigorously pursued in Fla. than it is elsewhere, which is to say not very vigorously at all.
And why pass up the opportunity to layer another charge on top of trespass? Cops and prosecutors seem to have no problem piling up charges in any other kind of criminal case. Maybe they think it's harder to prove harassment, if an officer witnessing it is the only way they can think of, than it is to prove trespass by blocking a vehicle, catching someone on the property, etc.
But we don't need officers witnessing everything the law brings charges for. So why would we require it in these cases? (This also raises the question of whether or not Johnny Law is really "done" with the fishing case above, considering the video plainly shows harassment, at the very least with the confiscation of the fish.)
If that's not believable, you could always claim you were startled. Let's see how that works out in Minnesota. (LOL---:re:)
[QUOTE=DParker;50173]While explicit protection would be better, I would think that you could at least rely on trespassing statutes to cover private land incidents. [/QUOTE]
I thought of that, and come to find out that's what Fla. wildlife says would be the charge. Just trespass. But I don't understand why you would design the law that way. I can't believe trespass is any more vigorously pursued in Fla. than it is elsewhere, which is to say not very vigorously at all.
And why pass up the opportunity to layer another charge on top of trespass? Cops and prosecutors seem to have no problem piling up charges in any other kind of criminal case. Maybe they think it's harder to prove harassment, if an officer witnessing it is the only way they can think of, than it is to prove trespass by blocking a vehicle, catching someone on the property, etc.
But we don't need officers witnessing everything the law brings charges for. So why would we require it in these cases? (This also raises the question of whether or not Johnny Law is really "done" with the fishing case above, considering the video plainly shows harassment, at the very least with the confiscation of the fish.)
4.) bluecat - 07/20/2017
"Fishing is wrong?", stammered the egret.
5.) DParker - 07/20/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50174]I thought of that, and come to find out that's what Fla. wildlife says would be the charge. Just trespass. But I don't understand why you would design the law that way. I can't believe trespass is any more vigorously pursued in Fla. than it is elsewhere, which is to say not very vigorously at all.
And why pass up the opportunity to layer another charge on top of trespass? Cops and prosecutors seem to have no problem piling up charges in any other kind of criminal case. Maybe they think it's harder to prove harassment, if an officer witnessing it is the only way they can think of, than it is to prove trespass by blocking a vehicle, catching someone on the property, etc.
But we don't need officers witnessing everything the law brings charges for. So why would we require it in these cases? (This also raises the question of whether or not Johnny Law is really "done" with the fishing case above, considering the video plainly shows harassment, at the very least with the confiscation of the fish.)[/QUOTE]
I think you're giving legislators far too much credit for logic, reason and being motivated by the desire to do what's right and/or makes sense. I suspect the simpler (and according to my good buddy Occam and his trusty razor, more likely to be correct) explanation is that there just hasn't been enough (or perhaps not any) lobbying pressure brought to bear on FL lawmakers to get them to pass such a set of statutes.
And why pass up the opportunity to layer another charge on top of trespass? Cops and prosecutors seem to have no problem piling up charges in any other kind of criminal case. Maybe they think it's harder to prove harassment, if an officer witnessing it is the only way they can think of, than it is to prove trespass by blocking a vehicle, catching someone on the property, etc.
But we don't need officers witnessing everything the law brings charges for. So why would we require it in these cases? (This also raises the question of whether or not Johnny Law is really "done" with the fishing case above, considering the video plainly shows harassment, at the very least with the confiscation of the fish.)[/QUOTE]
I think you're giving legislators far too much credit for logic, reason and being motivated by the desire to do what's right and/or makes sense. I suspect the simpler (and according to my good buddy Occam and his trusty razor, more likely to be correct) explanation is that there just hasn't been enough (or perhaps not any) lobbying pressure brought to bear on FL lawmakers to get them to pass such a set of statutes.
6.) Swamp Fox - 07/20/2017
The egret should get with the program and plant some wheat and soybeans...
7.) Swamp Fox - 07/20/2017
[QUOTE=DParker;50176]I think you're giving legislators far too much credit for logic, reason and being motivated by the desire to do what's right and/or makes sense. I suspect the simpler (and according to my good buddy Occam and his trusty razor, more likely to be correct) explanation is that there just hasn't been enough (or perhaps not any) lobbying pressure brought to bear on FL lawmakers to get them to pass such a set of statutes.[/QUOTE]
LOL...You're probably right. But think of it this way: You're up in Tallahassee and the strip clubs are all closed, but you're not ready to go to bed yet. You know you have to get this anti-harassment bill to the legislature by 10, so you stay up all night polishing what you've been "working on" for the last three years.
Just as the sun's coming up and you're thinking about whether to work a half-day or quit at lunchtime, you realize you haven't addressed harassment on private land at all. Remembering what your sainted dad told you---"Anything worth doing is worth doing right"--you say to yourself, "Screw it, it'll probably come up in committee" and climb in the shower, because you're already late for an early breakfast meeting with a real estate developer.
LOL...You're probably right. But think of it this way: You're up in Tallahassee and the strip clubs are all closed, but you're not ready to go to bed yet. You know you have to get this anti-harassment bill to the legislature by 10, so you stay up all night polishing what you've been "working on" for the last three years.
Just as the sun's coming up and you're thinking about whether to work a half-day or quit at lunchtime, you realize you haven't addressed harassment on private land at all. Remembering what your sainted dad told you---"Anything worth doing is worth doing right"--you say to yourself, "Screw it, it'll probably come up in committee" and climb in the shower, because you're already late for an early breakfast meeting with a real estate developer.
8.) DParker - 07/20/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50178]LOL...You're probably right. But think of it this way: You're up in Tallahassee and the strip clubs are all closed, but you're not ready to go to bed yet. You know you have to get this anti-harassment bill to the legislature by 10, so you stay up all night polishing what you've been "working on" for the last three years.
Just as the sun's coming up and you're thinking about whether to work a half-day or quit at lunchtime, you realize you haven't addressed harassment on private land at all. Remembering what your sainted dad told you---"Anything worth doing is worth doing right"--you say to yourself, "Screw it, it'll probably come up in committee" and climb in the shower, because you're already late for an early breakfast meeting with a real estate developer.[/QUOTE]
That strip club reference makes your post have more double entendres than a bawdy Vaudeville comedy act.
Just as the sun's coming up and you're thinking about whether to work a half-day or quit at lunchtime, you realize you haven't addressed harassment on private land at all. Remembering what your sainted dad told you---"Anything worth doing is worth doing right"--you say to yourself, "Screw it, it'll probably come up in committee" and climb in the shower, because you're already late for an early breakfast meeting with a real estate developer.[/QUOTE]
That strip club reference makes your post have more double entendres than a bawdy Vaudeville comedy act.
9.) Swamp Fox - 07/20/2017
:wink
10.) luv2bowhunt - 07/21/2017
Chris throws out a group question for the entire internet to answer.
The other 2 regulars answer him............now what?
LOL, just watching to see where this thread goes from here. And this is what it's all come to these days.:-)
The other 2 regulars answer him............now what?
LOL, just watching to see where this thread goes from here. And this is what it's all come to these days.:-)
11.) Swamp Fox - 07/21/2017
I suppose I could do it through email... or PMs...LOL
12.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50181]Chris throws out a group question for the entire internet to answer.
The other 2 regulars answer him............now what?
LOL, just watching to see where this thread goes from here. And this is what it's all come to these days.:-)[/QUOTE]
Just a crazy idea. Don't shoot me, I'm just the piano player, but you could participate. :-)
The other 2 regulars answer him............now what?
LOL, just watching to see where this thread goes from here. And this is what it's all come to these days.:-)[/QUOTE]
Just a crazy idea. Don't shoot me, I'm just the piano player, but you could participate. :-)
13.) Swamp Fox - 07/21/2017
He IS participating...Sorta...Don't run him off...We might regret it...LOL
14.) luv2bowhunt - 07/21/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;50186]Just a crazy idea. Don't shoot me, I'm just the piano player, but you could participate. :-)[/QUOTE]
This is about as much as I have the strength for these days. I prefer to lurk and watch you 3 interact. No need for me, you guys are doing great.:re:
I miss the old days and all the old people. Do you think they even lurk anymore or are they just gone for good?
This is about as much as I have the strength for these days. I prefer to lurk and watch you 3 interact. No need for me, you guys are doing great.:re:
I miss the old days and all the old people. Do you think they even lurk anymore or are they just gone for good?
15.) DParker - 07/21/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50195]I miss the old days and all the old people.[/QUOTE]
We'll get off your lawn now.
We'll get off your lawn now.
16.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50195]I prefer to lurk and watch you 3 interact.
I miss the old days and all the old people. Do you think they even lurk anymore or are they just gone for good?[/QUOTE]
I think you answered your own question.
I miss the old days and all the old people. Do you think they even lurk anymore or are they just gone for good?[/QUOTE]
I think you answered your own question.
17.) luv2bowhunt - 07/21/2017
No, I don't think I did. I don't think most of them even give this place a second thought any more. I wonder why that is.
What do you think changed bc? Did they change or did this place change?
What do you think changed bc? Did they change or did this place change?
18.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
I honestly don't understand it. We had some people (understandably) upset with Ventilator and they never came back even though he is gone now.
19.) luv2bowhunt - 07/21/2017
Yeah but let's get real. We had way bigger jerks around here than Kenny. Yeah, he was annoying and egotistical and a me monster and a one upper and a know-it-all.
But come on, other than those few character flaws, he was well received. There had to be more going on that I don't know about, than ventilator. Hell, back in the old days, I purposely was 1,000 times more annoying than him.
But come on, other than those few character flaws, he was well received. There had to be more going on that I don't know about, than ventilator. Hell, back in the old days, I purposely was 1,000 times more annoying than him.
20.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50203] I purposely was 1,000 times more annoying than him.[/QUOTE]
...which is why we miss you and wonder why you don't post more. :wink
Seemed like BULLZ-i got mad at something and took some his followers with him.
I'm not astute enough to understand all the politics. I thought it was a pretty happy family until it wasn't.
...which is why we miss you and wonder why you don't post more. :wink
Seemed like BULLZ-i got mad at something and took some his followers with him.
I'm not astute enough to understand all the politics. I thought it was a pretty happy family until it wasn't.
21.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
Now we're left with lame mango wine and vagina monologue threads.
22.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
Let's face it, I suck.
23.) luv2bowhunt - 07/21/2017
I know a few that have issues that had nothing to do with BULLZ-ear.
Just not that same anymore, very little useful info shared about hunting or archery. Not that you guys don't do the best you can amongst yourselves.
Anyway, I don't post much because there's little for me to add in discussions about things I don't know or care about. I'll be back with some scouting pics in a couple of weeks and maybe we can talk deer hunting. Or not.......it's all good either way.
Just not that same anymore, very little useful info shared about hunting or archery. Not that you guys don't do the best you can amongst yourselves.
Anyway, I don't post much because there's little for me to add in discussions about things I don't know or care about. I'll be back with some scouting pics in a couple of weeks and maybe we can talk deer hunting. Or not.......it's all good either way.
24.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50207]
Just not that same anymore, very little useful info shared about hunting or archery. Not that you guys don't do the best you can amongst yourselves.
[/QUOTE]
I appreciate that. We actually do come up with topics all the time - Swampy more than others. We have talked about harnesses, climbing ropes, tree stands, various bow hanger options, field dressing etc. But I understand it someone wasn't here every day they would not "no" that.
There is a daily dose of humor which helps keeps us all sane.
Just not that same anymore, very little useful info shared about hunting or archery. Not that you guys don't do the best you can amongst yourselves.
[/QUOTE]
I appreciate that. We actually do come up with topics all the time - Swampy more than others. We have talked about harnesses, climbing ropes, tree stands, various bow hanger options, field dressing etc. But I understand it someone wasn't here every day they would not "no" that.
There is a daily dose of humor which helps keeps us all sane.
25.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
Here is the kicker. Brace yourself for this realization.
I genuinely enjoy the company on here so archery or not, it's still very satisfying. I guess if you don't enjoy the company, then the content would be paramount over everything.
I genuinely enjoy the company on here so archery or not, it's still very satisfying. I guess if you don't enjoy the company, then the content would be paramount over everything.
26.) Swamp Fox - 07/21/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50195]This is about as much as I have the strength for these days. I prefer to lurk and watch you 3 interact. No need for me, you guys are doing great.:re:
I miss the old days and all the old people. Do you think they even lurk anymore or are they just gone for good?[/QUOTE]
I used to think our lurkers were the old guys, but couldn't figure out why they wouldn't participate. At this point I think I was wrong, unless there's something going on that I don't know about, but don't ask me why we almost always have between 20 and 50 lurkers (towards that upper end lately) but just the same small crew posting. I have no idea why we'd attract new lurkers but no new posters. I mean, I know the Joke Of The Day thread was a stroke of genius traffic-wise, but that can't explain all of it...LOL.
Obviously with the season getting closer there may be some people reading th
I miss the old days and all the old people. Do you think they even lurk anymore or are they just gone for good?[/QUOTE]
I used to think our lurkers were the old guys, but couldn't figure out why they wouldn't participate. At this point I think I was wrong, unless there's something going on that I don't know about, but don't ask me why we almost always have between 20 and 50 lurkers (towards that upper end lately) but just the same small crew posting. I have no idea why we'd attract new lurkers but no new posters. I mean, I know the Joke Of The Day thread was a stroke of genius traffic-wise, but that can't explain all of it...LOL.
Obviously with the season getting closer there may be some people reading th
27.) DParker - 07/21/2017
Maybe we should revive the "Why Kinetic Energy Doesn't Matter" threads and "Whisker Biscuits vs Everything Else" debates.
28.) Swamp Fox - 07/21/2017
LOL...It's true. If you trace acceptance of the Whisker Biscuit with site traffic, it's almost exactly an inverse relationship.
If I knew how to do a graph, I'd post it...But this will give you the basic idea:
If I knew how to do a graph, I'd post it...But this will give you the basic idea:
29.) Swamp Fox - 07/21/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50199]No, I don't think I did. I don't think most of them even give this place a second thought any more. I wonder why that is.
What do you think changed bc? Did they change or did this place change?[/QUOTE]
What do you think changed bc? Did they change or did this place change?[/QUOTE]
30.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
[QUOTE=DParker;50211]Maybe we should revive the "Why Kinetic Energy Doesn't Matter" threads and "Whisker Biscuits vs Everything Else" debates.[/QUOTE]
What pattern of camo is the best?
What pattern of camo is the best?
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16.\t Poll: Plano vs Flambeau compound bow carrying case?
Started by meatman, Today 12:50 PM
o\tReplies: 0
o\tViews: 31
meatman
Today, 12:50 PM
17.\t XOP Quick Connect Bracket
Started by 1canvas, July 19th, 2017 04:54 PM
o\tReplies: 4
o\tViews: 73
1canvas
Today, 12:37 PM
18.\t [B]Sitka Stratus Jacket, what am I missing here?[/B]
Started by klemsontigers7, July 19th, 2017 09:46 PM
12
o\tReplies: 27
o\tViews: 582
zap
Today, 12:35 PM
19.\t Hunting Arrow Diameter question.
Started by mpgavin87, Yesterday 10:10 PM
o\tReplies: 12
o\tViews: 202
ktquinn44
Today, 12:33 PM
20.\t Which Ascender
Started by 1canvas, July 18th, 2017 06:31 PM
o\tReplies: 10
o\tViews: 148
1canvas
Today, 12:30 PM
21.\t 2 more weeks in Illinois
Started by thirdhandman, July 15th, 2017 08:21 AM
o\tReplies: 16
o\tViews: 494
K9Zoey
Today, 12:06 PM
22.\t Another Question about Packs
Started by hokiehunter373, July 19th, 2017 12:03 PM
o\tReplies: 13
o\tViews: 207
horsehands
Today, 12:04 PM
23.\t equalizer treestands what happen
Started by huntfish25, September 2nd, 2011 02:06 PM
1234
o\tReplies: 75
o\tViews: 18,751
thirdhandman
Today, 11:54 AM
24.\t APR's in southern lower Michigan denied.
Started by cadguy2, July 18th, 2017 12:21 PM
1234
o\tReplies: 90
o\tViews: 1,088
Doorny22
Today, 11:39 AM
25.\t Coming home from Iraq !
Started by Antleraddict62, Yesterday 12:22 AM
12
I emphasized some of my favorite threads, but I wouldn't click on any of them. I do appreciate that somebody is coming home from Iraq, though.
Jim shockey uncharted
Started by friedm1, July 19th, 2017 12:44 AM
o\tReplies: 16
o\tViews: 682
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Today, 02:35 PM
2.\t Rage Trypan or Chisel Tip
Started by backcast88, June 21st, 2017 12:58 AM
12
o\tReplies: 29
o\tViews: 617
1canvas
Today, 02:33 PM
3.\t [B]Selling acorns for deer bait?[/B]
Started by GavinAkaJeter, Yesterday 11:25 PM
o\tReplies: 23
o\tViews: 393
pilotpip
Today, 02:27 PM
4.\t Anyone ever do any trapping?
Started by FoxLSX, Today 12:05 AM
12
o\tReplies: 34
o\tViews: 360
blazinsoles
Today, 02:10 PM
5.\t Aspiring hunter in Co. Need help getting started!
Started by derrdic3, Yesterday 07:36 PM
o\tReplies: 9
o\tViews: 136
PutnamCountyHunter
Today, 02:00 PM
6.\t [B]Poll: What Archery Talk Coffee Mugs do you like best[/B]
Started by AT News, November 6th, 2012 12:19 PM
123
o\tReplies: 61
o\tViews: 2,985
blazinsoles
Today, 01:57 PM
7.\t The abandoned treestand thread
Started by STILLxSTALKINGx, May 28th, 2014 01:38 PM
12345...6
o\tReplies: 135
o\tViews: 14,591
STILLxSTALKINGx
Today, 01:47 PM
8.\t Sitka Subalpine
Started by ckanipe, Today 01:12 PM
o\tReplies: 1
o\tViews: 40
ohio.bow.addict
Today, 01:43 PM
9.\t Hunters Moon Guide
Started by dwgh88, July 17th, 2017 01:22 PM
12
o\tReplies: 41
o\tViews: 777
Quicksliver
Today, 01:38 PM
10.\t GT XT Hunter Vs. Pro Hunter??
Started by Commfishmtk, Today 01:29 PM
o\tReplies: 2
o\tViews: 47
btvabowhunter
Today, 01:38 PM
11.\t Rock climbing harness and outerwear
Started by Curtdawg88, Yesterday 08:59 PM
o\tReplies: 11
o\tViews: 163
gridman
Today, 01:23 PM
12.\t food plot help, spray or mow first
Started by cschwanz, July 19th, 2017 10:34 AM
o\tReplies: 24
o\tViews: 356
cschwanz
Today, 01:13 PM
13.\t apex covert pro dot hunting
Started by daveyc, Today 10:24 AM
o\tReplies: 2
o\tViews: 41
meatman
Today, 01:00 PM
14.\t Best quiver that is not Tightspot
Started by Point-N-Shoot, October 26th, 2016 07:26 PM
123
o\tReplies: 73
o\tViews: 3,217
meatman
Today, 12:58 PM
15.\t [B]Obnoxious fanboyism in the archery community?[/B]
Started by ol' sheepherder, Yesterday 08:21 PM
o\tReplies: 23
o\tViews: 522
Boatman71
Today, 12:56 PM
16.\t Poll: Plano vs Flambeau compound bow carrying case?
Started by meatman, Today 12:50 PM
o\tReplies: 0
o\tViews: 31
meatman
Today, 12:50 PM
17.\t XOP Quick Connect Bracket
Started by 1canvas, July 19th, 2017 04:54 PM
o\tReplies: 4
o\tViews: 73
1canvas
Today, 12:37 PM
18.\t [B]Sitka Stratus Jacket, what am I missing here?[/B]
Started by klemsontigers7, July 19th, 2017 09:46 PM
12
o\tReplies: 27
o\tViews: 582
zap
Today, 12:35 PM
19.\t Hunting Arrow Diameter question.
Started by mpgavin87, Yesterday 10:10 PM
o\tReplies: 12
o\tViews: 202
ktquinn44
Today, 12:33 PM
20.\t Which Ascender
Started by 1canvas, July 18th, 2017 06:31 PM
o\tReplies: 10
o\tViews: 148
1canvas
Today, 12:30 PM
21.\t 2 more weeks in Illinois
Started by thirdhandman, July 15th, 2017 08:21 AM
o\tReplies: 16
o\tViews: 494
K9Zoey
Today, 12:06 PM
22.\t Another Question about Packs
Started by hokiehunter373, July 19th, 2017 12:03 PM
o\tReplies: 13
o\tViews: 207
horsehands
Today, 12:04 PM
23.\t equalizer treestands what happen
Started by huntfish25, September 2nd, 2011 02:06 PM
1234
o\tReplies: 75
o\tViews: 18,751
thirdhandman
Today, 11:54 AM
24.\t APR's in southern lower Michigan denied.
Started by cadguy2, July 18th, 2017 12:21 PM
1234
o\tReplies: 90
o\tViews: 1,088
Doorny22
Today, 11:39 AM
25.\t Coming home from Iraq !
Started by Antleraddict62, Yesterday 12:22 AM
12
I emphasized some of my favorite threads, but I wouldn't click on any of them. I do appreciate that somebody is coming home from Iraq, though.
32.) Swamp Fox - 07/21/2017
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33.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
Poll: What Archery Talk Coffee Mugs do you like best
:laugh:
:laugh:
34.) Swamp Fox - 07/21/2017
Makes you feel better about our conversations, doesn't it?...LOL
35.) bluecat - 07/21/2017
It does. :grin:
36.) Wild Bob - 07/21/2017
I'm gonna chime in here on this...just briefly.
I think its safe to say that most, if not all of us at one time or another has wondered about this issue and tried to figure it out. I agree with Luv2; I wonder also about the old guys. I know first hand from visiting with several of those guys that left pre 2010ish that often someone would get fired up at one or more of the others and hit their saturation point and then that was it. Unfortunately, there were some really good guys that left BC along with more than a few that needed to go...
Hey man, we are all human here...last time I checked, none of us knuckleheads walk on water. Obviously I've had my issues at times and even taken several extended walk-abouts from BC / HC over the years.
My theory is that participation mirrors the attitudes and behavior of our society. We are (generally speaking) more polarized than we've ever been politically, in general we seem to be acting less tolerant as well, not to mention less spiritual (again, I'm stating this in general, so don't anyone in particular get getting their panties in a wad)....So what does that get us? Well, for starters - not many people that are willing to stick around and put up with information or opinions that are contrary to their own beliefs. Then, on top of that, you got a percentage of folks that tend to be more serious and just want to stick to the topic at hand. There are several occasional members here that fit that bill, and that's fine. Just as it is fine to joke around and cut up...I agree with Blue on that, humor is a good thing, when not taken too far or too personally.
BUT, and here comes my big but in all this, and I've said it before, and I'll say it again...One issue I've seen on HC that has hurt participation in the past (just as it's created issues with untold numbers of people in all other venues of life) is when things get too 'Clicky' and exclusive. That tends to turn most folks off in a heart beat.
Then add in all the other potential minutia...and is it any wonder we're still not all running around clubbing each other on the head with sticks???
Not to mention that no one wants to be slammed by a bunch of know-it-alls either. As is so often the case; it's not always what one says, but how they say it.
And I don't claim perfection or all knowing on any of this. For example; I know that I royally, royally pissed Floyd off...even though I didn't mean to, and I'm still not sure just exactly what I did to do that....but I did.
It's all relative I guess. And the older I get the more I realize the less I know. Sure I might have some valuable knowledge to share, but if in doing that I turn someone away, then am I'm part of the problem or part of the solution? I think as rational adults we all need to consider these things. And taking that a step further, if turning people away from me (whether in person or on line) is what I am doing, then may be I need to reexamine my values. Because ultimately, I and only I am responsible for my actions. Its all a choice - I can choose to be a jerk, or I can choose to be a know-it-all or I can choose to be decent. I can choose to listen, or talk or I can chose to be an island to myself. Or I can choose to hide behind the mask of obscurity offered by the internet...and that opens up a whole another case of issues for some folks, but I'm not touching that one...
Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. So I'll shut up now.
Oh man, I just heard Spicy called it quits today... I'm gonna miss that guy.
I think its safe to say that most, if not all of us at one time or another has wondered about this issue and tried to figure it out. I agree with Luv2; I wonder also about the old guys. I know first hand from visiting with several of those guys that left pre 2010ish that often someone would get fired up at one or more of the others and hit their saturation point and then that was it. Unfortunately, there were some really good guys that left BC along with more than a few that needed to go...
Hey man, we are all human here...last time I checked, none of us knuckleheads walk on water. Obviously I've had my issues at times and even taken several extended walk-abouts from BC / HC over the years.
My theory is that participation mirrors the attitudes and behavior of our society. We are (generally speaking) more polarized than we've ever been politically, in general we seem to be acting less tolerant as well, not to mention less spiritual (again, I'm stating this in general, so don't anyone in particular get getting their panties in a wad)....So what does that get us? Well, for starters - not many people that are willing to stick around and put up with information or opinions that are contrary to their own beliefs. Then, on top of that, you got a percentage of folks that tend to be more serious and just want to stick to the topic at hand. There are several occasional members here that fit that bill, and that's fine. Just as it is fine to joke around and cut up...I agree with Blue on that, humor is a good thing, when not taken too far or too personally.
BUT, and here comes my big but in all this, and I've said it before, and I'll say it again...One issue I've seen on HC that has hurt participation in the past (just as it's created issues with untold numbers of people in all other venues of life) is when things get too 'Clicky' and exclusive. That tends to turn most folks off in a heart beat.
Then add in all the other potential minutia...and is it any wonder we're still not all running around clubbing each other on the head with sticks???
Not to mention that no one wants to be slammed by a bunch of know-it-alls either. As is so often the case; it's not always what one says, but how they say it.
And I don't claim perfection or all knowing on any of this. For example; I know that I royally, royally pissed Floyd off...even though I didn't mean to, and I'm still not sure just exactly what I did to do that....but I did.
It's all relative I guess. And the older I get the more I realize the less I know. Sure I might have some valuable knowledge to share, but if in doing that I turn someone away, then am I'm part of the problem or part of the solution? I think as rational adults we all need to consider these things. And taking that a step further, if turning people away from me (whether in person or on line) is what I am doing, then may be I need to reexamine my values. Because ultimately, I and only I am responsible for my actions. Its all a choice - I can choose to be a jerk, or I can choose to be a know-it-all or I can choose to be decent. I can choose to listen, or talk or I can chose to be an island to myself. Or I can choose to hide behind the mask of obscurity offered by the internet...and that opens up a whole another case of issues for some folks, but I'm not touching that one...
Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. So I'll shut up now.
Oh man, I just heard Spicy called it quits today... I'm gonna miss that guy.
37.) Swamp Fox - 07/22/2017
Bitterly honored to have served pic.twitter.com/MtaMUdkwVI
— Sean Spicier (@sean_spicier) July 21, 2017
38.) Swamp Fox - 07/22/2017
Good post, WB.
39.) Swamp Fox - 07/22/2017
Whoa! What happened to Post 26??? It got cut off mid-sentence. Really, mid-word. I know the whole post was up at one point. I'm 99.99999% sure I didn't fat-finger a Delete during an edit of typos...
It's too bad, because it was a fabulous post. Got into cliques and site traffic and the general state of hunting forums and current social media trends and everything.
I blame Alex.
It's too bad, because it was a fabulous post. Got into cliques and site traffic and the general state of hunting forums and current social media trends and everything.
I blame Alex.
40.) Swamp Fox - 07/22/2017
Before something happened to that post, I was making a few points I’ll try to recreate more briefly this time around [Edit: Failed on that score]:
If the lurkers are not mostly the old crowd, I have no idea why they don’t participate, even on hunting/outdoors-related threads. I’ve put up a number of topics that I thought should generate discussion—and would have in the old days—that just went nowhere. A few that I thought were especially juicy got ZERO replies. (I can’t recall what the views were like. Modest, I want to say.) So what does that say if lurkers are the old crowd? What does it say if they’re new guys? I don’t think this place has horrible traffic for a small site that’s supposedly got nothing going on, so I don’t think non-participation is just the result of small numbers.
Along those lines, I’ve noticed that if you look at the number of views on various other threads here, we have some monsters. Considering the number of posters we have, it’s a bit of a mystery. And almost none of those threads are hunting-related. SOMEBODY’s interested in them…
The clique thing has come up a couple of times in these discussions, too, and I think there are a few problems with the argument that the feeling of a small, tight-knit club prevents people from posting.
First, the clique accusation has been around as long as this site’s been up, and by that I mean going back to at least 2000, with Archery World and then BowCountry and now HC. (Hope I haven’t forgotten any incarnations. LOL) People were talking about cliques when the site was rip-roaring. Most of them were joking. You know how I know?---They were in the clique! I’m sure some people didn’t feel like they were “in the inner circle,” but it was a BIG inner circle.
Feel free to argue with me about that, because if anyone *really* felt excluded or was treated unfairly, I’m unaware of it. And more to the point, cliques weren't preventing the site from having a lot of activity back in the heyday.
Secondly, the way to deal with a clique is not to take your ball and go home to suck your thumb. If you want to participate, you participate. That said, sometimes dealing with a clique isn’t worth the effort. Someone might feel they have nothing to add. Or there might be some personal conflict going on. To each his own. But choosing not to participate just because there’s a clique out there somewhere is a choice we make. Cliques are everywhere. They’re just part of life. It seems to miss the point to be aware of a clique (notice I didn’t say “complain about”) and act like a clique is like a shut-off valve to participation. No. It’s a *barrier*--- but the shutting off or turning on is on each individual.
Lastly, when you have a small group, you almost by definition have a clique. So here we are. :tap: It’s more than a little funny to hear people *complain* about a clique and use it as a justification for behavior (or non-behavior) that undermines expansion of the group. To quote our former president, “Let me be clear.” I’m not saying anyone who has brought this topic up is complaining. And just because you notice a clique doesn’t mean you’re trying to undermine anything. But walking away from a small group just because it’s a small group does say more about the walker than about the group.
I think the last point I was trying to make in the post that got wiped somehow was about the state of hunting forums in general these days. Basically, I said I bet I’m not the only one here who has to dig pages-deep into any other bow/hunting forum to find any topic of interest. Most of us are beyond the basic questions and numerous other categories of threads that show up on your typical forum. I was gonna say “dumb threads” but dumb is in the eye of the beholder and I’m sure somebody somewhere thinks any particular thread is dumb, even on HC. LOL. So that’s where the cut-and-paste of other forums’ front pages came from. I hope they made my point.
Seriously, I usually have to go at least four pages down on Archery Talk's bowhunting forum, say, to find something engaging, typically, if I’m even desperate enough to go over there in the first place. I’m sure that says something about me and my tastes and level of interest, but as fast as that place moves, it also says something about AT, and maybe about hunting forums in general.
And that’s all I’ve got to say about that!
If the lurkers are not mostly the old crowd, I have no idea why they don’t participate, even on hunting/outdoors-related threads. I’ve put up a number of topics that I thought should generate discussion—and would have in the old days—that just went nowhere. A few that I thought were especially juicy got ZERO replies. (I can’t recall what the views were like. Modest, I want to say.) So what does that say if lurkers are the old crowd? What does it say if they’re new guys? I don’t think this place has horrible traffic for a small site that’s supposedly got nothing going on, so I don’t think non-participation is just the result of small numbers.
Along those lines, I’ve noticed that if you look at the number of views on various other threads here, we have some monsters. Considering the number of posters we have, it’s a bit of a mystery. And almost none of those threads are hunting-related. SOMEBODY’s interested in them…
The clique thing has come up a couple of times in these discussions, too, and I think there are a few problems with the argument that the feeling of a small, tight-knit club prevents people from posting.
First, the clique accusation has been around as long as this site’s been up, and by that I mean going back to at least 2000, with Archery World and then BowCountry and now HC. (Hope I haven’t forgotten any incarnations. LOL) People were talking about cliques when the site was rip-roaring. Most of them were joking. You know how I know?---They were in the clique! I’m sure some people didn’t feel like they were “in the inner circle,” but it was a BIG inner circle.
Feel free to argue with me about that, because if anyone *really* felt excluded or was treated unfairly, I’m unaware of it. And more to the point, cliques weren't preventing the site from having a lot of activity back in the heyday.
Secondly, the way to deal with a clique is not to take your ball and go home to suck your thumb. If you want to participate, you participate. That said, sometimes dealing with a clique isn’t worth the effort. Someone might feel they have nothing to add. Or there might be some personal conflict going on. To each his own. But choosing not to participate just because there’s a clique out there somewhere is a choice we make. Cliques are everywhere. They’re just part of life. It seems to miss the point to be aware of a clique (notice I didn’t say “complain about”) and act like a clique is like a shut-off valve to participation. No. It’s a *barrier*--- but the shutting off or turning on is on each individual.
Lastly, when you have a small group, you almost by definition have a clique. So here we are. :tap: It’s more than a little funny to hear people *complain* about a clique and use it as a justification for behavior (or non-behavior) that undermines expansion of the group. To quote our former president, “Let me be clear.” I’m not saying anyone who has brought this topic up is complaining. And just because you notice a clique doesn’t mean you’re trying to undermine anything. But walking away from a small group just because it’s a small group does say more about the walker than about the group.
I think the last point I was trying to make in the post that got wiped somehow was about the state of hunting forums in general these days. Basically, I said I bet I’m not the only one here who has to dig pages-deep into any other bow/hunting forum to find any topic of interest. Most of us are beyond the basic questions and numerous other categories of threads that show up on your typical forum. I was gonna say “dumb threads” but dumb is in the eye of the beholder and I’m sure somebody somewhere thinks any particular thread is dumb, even on HC. LOL. So that’s where the cut-and-paste of other forums’ front pages came from. I hope they made my point.
Seriously, I usually have to go at least four pages down on Archery Talk's bowhunting forum, say, to find something engaging, typically, if I’m even desperate enough to go over there in the first place. I’m sure that says something about me and my tastes and level of interest, but as fast as that place moves, it also says something about AT, and maybe about hunting forums in general.
And that’s all I’ve got to say about that!
41.) DParker - 07/22/2017
I deal with cliques by simply ignoring the fact that they exist. But then again it's been just over 38 years since I was a school kid, and I didn't pay them much mind even then.
42.) Swamp Fox - 07/22/2017
LOL...
Although it has a particular bearing on this site, I forgot to include my analysis of alternative social media and their effect on hunting forums in my dissertation above, but I think I'll hold it back for now because I don't want our readers to get overloaded...LOL
Although it has a particular bearing on this site, I forgot to include my analysis of alternative social media and their effect on hunting forums in my dissertation above, but I think I'll hold it back for now because I don't want our readers to get overloaded...LOL
43.) Swamp Fox - 07/23/2017
44.) Swamp Fox - 07/23/2017
[B]THE BUFFALO THEORY[/B]
[QUOTE]"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this...
A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo.
And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first.
This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
"In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells.
But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first.
In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.
That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this...
A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo.
And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first.
This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
"In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells.
But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first.
In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.
That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."[/QUOTE]
45.) luv2bowhunt - 07/24/2017
My point is still valid. There are 3 regulars on here and a couple like me who chime in once in awhile. So everytime you start a discussion you're really only talking to DParker and bluecat.
And that is funny to me. Makes me wonder why you try so hard to talk to anyone else. They're not going to post, they never do. How or why we got here I'm not exactly sure. Maybe Forums are just running their course and everything is now done on Facebook and Twitter. I also wonder why Alex doesn't do anything to generate more discussion/interest.
I remember how you people would all fawn over him whenever he posted pics of half naked girls and giant pigs. You all acted like he was your long lost friend, like a bunch of suck-ups. If he posted more, others would post more, I'm sure of it.
I still want to pick on him, crash his site, kick dirt all over his swept sidewalk, but he doesn't even make it fun anymore. He's AWOL and I'll bet he doesn't care.
Alex, if you care about any of these guys or this site, post something. Anything. A picture of a rooster or your idiot brother, something.
............he won't post, he's done with you people.
And that is funny to me. Makes me wonder why you try so hard to talk to anyone else. They're not going to post, they never do. How or why we got here I'm not exactly sure. Maybe Forums are just running their course and everything is now done on Facebook and Twitter. I also wonder why Alex doesn't do anything to generate more discussion/interest.
I remember how you people would all fawn over him whenever he posted pics of half naked girls and giant pigs. You all acted like he was your long lost friend, like a bunch of suck-ups. If he posted more, others would post more, I'm sure of it.
I still want to pick on him, crash his site, kick dirt all over his swept sidewalk, but he doesn't even make it fun anymore. He's AWOL and I'll bet he doesn't care.
Alex, if you care about any of these guys or this site, post something. Anything. A picture of a rooster or your idiot brother, something.
............he won't post, he's done with you people.
46.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50259]My point is still valid. There are 3 regulars on here and a couple like me who chime in once in awhile. So everytime you start a discussion you're really only talking to DParker and bluecat.
And that is funny to me. Makes me wonder why you try so hard to talk to anyone else. They're not going to post, they never do. [/QUOTE]
Hope springs eternal, I suppose. But I do get tired of it.
And that is funny to me. Makes me wonder why you try so hard to talk to anyone else. They're not going to post, they never do. [/QUOTE]
Hope springs eternal, I suppose. But I do get tired of it.
47.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50259]
I remember how you people would all fawn over him whenever he posted pics of half naked girls and giant pigs. You all acted like he was your long lost friend, like a bunch of suck-ups. If he posted more, others would post more, I'm sure of it.
I still want to pick on him, crash his site, kick dirt all over his swept sidewalk, but he doesn't even make it fun anymore. He's AWOL and I'll bet he doesn't care.
Alex, if you care about any of these guys or this site, post something. Anything. A picture of a rooster or your idiot brother, something.
............he won't post, he's done with you people.[/QUOTE]
THERE's the Luv2 we used to know!---LOL
I remember how you people would all fawn over him whenever he posted pics of half naked girls and giant pigs. You all acted like he was your long lost friend, like a bunch of suck-ups. If he posted more, others would post more, I'm sure of it.
I still want to pick on him, crash his site, kick dirt all over his swept sidewalk, but he doesn't even make it fun anymore. He's AWOL and I'll bet he doesn't care.
Alex, if you care about any of these guys or this site, post something. Anything. A picture of a rooster or your idiot brother, something.
............he won't post, he's done with you people.[/QUOTE]
THERE's the Luv2 we used to know!---LOL
48.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
Every new or old face that shows up have always been welcomed. I don't recall any harsh words or hurt feelings.
Well, there was that one incident of me killing a jake and then feeling like I was less of a hunter. I had to put myself in temporary timeout, reread all my "You Are Wonderful" books and do some smudging but things got back to normal pretty quick. :wink
Well, there was that one incident of me killing a jake and then feeling like I was less of a hunter. I had to put myself in temporary timeout, reread all my "You Are Wonderful" books and do some smudging but things got back to normal pretty quick. :wink
49.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
Maybe we need a designated agitator? Someone who shows up just to stir the pot, like some of the woman on bachelor who don't have a chance in hell of getting picked but at some point in the show, they are drunk, naked and beating someone with a shoe.
People really love a fight you know.
People really love a fight you know.
50.) luv2bowhunt - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;50264]Maybe we need a designated agitator? Someone who shows up just to stir the pot,[/QUOTE]
No thanks. I don't have the strength for it anymore, and since there is only 3 of you, it's kind of a waste of time.
I did it once so far in 2017, that should hold you over until next year.
No thanks. I don't have the strength for it anymore, and since there is only 3 of you, it's kind of a waste of time.
I did it once so far in 2017, that should hold you over until next year.
51.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
I saw somebody lurking over the weekend that I haven't seen in ages...FWIW. LOL
52.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small you can't even make guilt-free crossbow jokes..."
53.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
This site is so small that the sound of my typing wakes Luv2.
54.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
55.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
Audience:
[SIZE=4][B]"How small is it?!"[/B][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][B]"How small is it?!"[/B][/SIZE]
56.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;50269]This site is so small that the sound of my typing wakes Luv2.[/QUOTE]
Oh, good. I was afraid "no one" was going to know where I was going with that...LOL
Oh, good. I was afraid "no one" was going to know where I was going with that...LOL
57.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
It's so small that only one person is complaining that there are no deer hunting threads.
58.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small everyone is glad you're still alive every single time your green light goes on."
59.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small that I send pms to myself just to keep myself company."
60.) Jon - 07/24/2017
Luv2 desperately lurks, he wants so badly to come in and just let it all out but he's hurt inside and being hurt amongst a small crowd is frightening to him.
Maybe one of you should reach out to Luv2, in his safe zone wherever that is. He's yearning for a friend to just try again, maybe BULLZ-I will come lurk and see this and help him out....
Maybe one of you should reach out to Luv2, in his safe zone wherever that is. He's yearning for a friend to just try again, maybe BULLZ-I will come lurk and see this and help him out....
61.) luv2bowhunt - 07/24/2017
I got your safe zone right here.
62.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
See what's going on here fellas. There is dialog. Luv2 stirred the pot and Jon jumped in.
I know right!
I know right!
63.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
It won't be too long before we might get a post from one of BZ's [B]Out of Office Assistants[/B]...So that's something to look forward to. LOL
64.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50280]I got your safe zone right here.[/QUOTE]
LOL [:Grabbing motion:]
LOL [:Grabbing motion:]
65.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50283]It won't be too long before we might get a post from one of BZ's [B]Out of Office Assistants[/B]...So that's something to look forward to. LOL[/QUOTE]
+3 Good one.
+3 Good one.
66.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small that there is a 'Joke of the Year' thread.
67.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small, women giggle when they see it."
68.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small that taking marginal shots at animals are encouraged to generate posts."
69.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
Oooh, that's harsh. LOL
"This site is so small that the only two refresh options are 'Monthly' and 'Weakly'."
(BTW, where did the refresh setting go? I couldn't find mine to 1) see if it was working and 2) to see if there was an option for "Annual".)
"This site is so small that the only two refresh options are 'Monthly' and 'Weakly'."
(BTW, where did the refresh setting go? I couldn't find mine to 1) see if it was working and 2) to see if there was an option for "Annual".)
70.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small that the refresh option was changed to 'revive'".
71.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
Swampy, the menu reads L to R across the top as [B]Forum | Today's Posts | Auto Refresh[/B] ...More Menus
72.) DParker - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;50264]Maybe we need a designated agitator? Someone who shows up just to stir the pot, like some of the woman on bachelor who don't have a chance in hell of getting picked but at some point in the show, they are drunk, naked and beating someone with a shoe.
People really love a fight you know.[/QUOTE]
I think this post needs a poll added for those in favor of more drunk naked women.
People really love a fight you know.[/QUOTE]
I think this post needs a poll added for those in favor of more drunk naked women.
73.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;50291]Swampy, the menu reads L to R across the top as [B]Forum | Today's Posts | Auto Refresh[/B] ...More Menus[/QUOTE]
I used to be able to find the way to change the refresh up there, but here's what I have now, L-R:
Forum
Today's Posts
Auto Refresh
New Activity
HC Facebook
If I click on Auto Refresh, the page flashes, but nothing comes up. No sub-menu if hover, etc.
I used to be able to find the way to change the refresh up there, but here's what I have now, L-R:
Forum
Today's Posts
Auto Refresh
New Activity
HC Facebook
If I click on Auto Refresh, the page flashes, but nothing comes up. No sub-menu if hover, etc.
74.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
I don't see it in Settings either. I was just in there a couple of months ago when I noticed my front page wasn't acting right after new posts.
75.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50295]I used to be able to find the way to change the refresh up there, but here's what I have now, L-R:
Forum
Today's Posts
Auto Refresh
New Activity
HC Facebook
If I click on Auto Refresh, the page flashes, but nothing comes up. No sub-menu if hover, etc.[/QUOTE]
When I click on Auto Refresh, I have these submenu options.
"Yawn, see what's goins on"
"Year"
"Decade"
"I'll refresh when I'm damn well ready, thank you very much."
Forum
Today's Posts
Auto Refresh
New Activity
HC Facebook
If I click on Auto Refresh, the page flashes, but nothing comes up. No sub-menu if hover, etc.[/QUOTE]
When I click on Auto Refresh, I have these submenu options.
"Yawn, see what's goins on"
"Year"
"Decade"
"I'll refresh when I'm damn well ready, thank you very much."
76.) Wild Bob - 07/24/2017
We need that feller from Wisconsin back on here...he was always good for a big blow up and fight...
It's a sad state of affairs indeed when Luv2 can't even gall Alex into showing his existence...
Kind of reminds me of a certain SP episode, the one about, "Are you there God?"
It's a sad state of affairs indeed when Luv2 can't even gall Alex into showing his existence...
Kind of reminds me of a certain SP episode, the one about, "Are you there God?"
77.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small you can join in the morning, get in a fight by the afternoon and get kicked off by evening."
78.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
And after that: "This site isn't big enough for the two of us! Draw, varmint!"
79.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;50298]When I click on Auto Refresh, I have these submenu options.
"Yawn, see what's goins on"
"Year"
"Decade"
"I'll refresh when I'm damn well ready, thank you very much."[/QUOTE]
I figured it out. When you click Auto Refresh you get a new screen (I thought it just flashed) and your options are hidden up at the top in plain view if you're looking for them. :bang:
"Yawn, see what's goins on"
"Year"
"Decade"
"I'll refresh when I'm damn well ready, thank you very much."[/QUOTE]
I figured it out. When you click Auto Refresh you get a new screen (I thought it just flashed) and your options are hidden up at the top in plain view if you're looking for them. :bang:
80.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small, that a 'knock knock' joke once took two years to complete.
81.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;50290]"This site is so small that the refresh option was changed to 'revive'".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;50310]"This site is so small, that a 'knock knock' joke once took two years to complete.[/QUOTE]
4+4= 8 points :-)
Knock knock
Coming!
[Long pause. No activity.]
Knock knock!
Be right there!
[Patient waiting.]
[Growing impatience.]
Knock Knock!
Just a minute!
Aaargh!
(How the world's slowest knock-knock joke never materialized.)
[QUOTE=bluecat;50310]"This site is so small, that a 'knock knock' joke once took two years to complete.[/QUOTE]
4+4= 8 points :-)
Knock knock
Coming!
[Long pause. No activity.]
Knock knock!
Be right there!
[Patient waiting.]
[Growing impatience.]
Knock Knock!
Just a minute!
Aaargh!
(How the world's slowest knock-knock joke never materialized.)
82.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small that a thread stating that someone actually [B]found[/B] Bigfoot got two views. And one of the views was from the author checking to make sure the picture uploaded correctly.
83.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
Headline News:
[B][SIZE=3]FCC Announces It's Running Out Of Cyberspace, Must Make Room By Closing Small Sites [/SIZE][/B]
[B][SIZE=2]HuntingCountry Hardest Hit [/SIZE][/B]
[B][SIZE=3]FCC Announces It's Running Out Of Cyberspace, Must Make Room By Closing Small Sites [/SIZE][/B]
[B][SIZE=2]HuntingCountry Hardest Hit [/SIZE][/B]
84.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small that Dolly Parton was not allowed to join."
85.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small, it leaves Alexa unsatisfied on a digital level."
86.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small, Luv2 has to bully himself."
87.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
"This site is so small, it's like a shot of craft beer: Not refreshing."
No, seriously, the site is not refreshing. I have it on a 30-second refresh (Annual was NOT available, it turns out) and it sat there with no indication that you had posted. See if you notice the same problem, but I don't know how it can just be me...LOL
No, seriously, the site is not refreshing. I have it on a 30-second refresh (Annual was NOT available, it turns out) and it sat there with no indication that you had posted. See if you notice the same problem, but I don't know how it can just be me...LOL
88.) bluecat - 07/24/2017
I set mine on 30 seconds and it no worky. I always have to press "New Posts".
89.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
Huh. I changed it from One Minute and it completely froze, as it did for you. One Minute wasn't working great, but I guess I'll go to Five and see if that works any better.
90.) Swamp Fox - 07/24/2017
I lied. I set it to 2 for the time being.
91.) bluecat - 07/25/2017
"This site is so small, Chuck Norris gave it a round-house kick and took out his own teeth." Then in a fit of rage he nuked the site, because well, it's the only way to be sure.
92.) luv2bowhunt - 07/25/2017
Chuck Norris
93.) Swamp Fox - 07/25/2017
We made it to 10 pages on this topic---LOL---so I believe everyone involved deserves a round of applause.
94.) Swamp Fox - 07/25/2017
LOL...4:20 of epic shooting...:-)
95.) bluecat - 07/25/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50339]Chuck Norris
[/QUOTE]
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
[/QUOTE]
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
96.) Swamp Fox - 07/25/2017
The site's definitely not refreshing. 15 minutes went by with no indication that Bluecat had posted.
97.) Wild Bob - 07/25/2017
Wait a second... Was that Luv2 on his bike that Chuck took out at about 2:48?!?!?!? Where he wiped in the irrigation ditch???
98.) bluecat - 07/25/2017
Yes, that was him, returning from his hunt, empty-handed, wearing a t-shirt and unaware of his surroundings. Chuck was merely thinning the herd.
99.) DParker - 07/25/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50343]The site's definitely not refreshing. 15 minutes went by with no indication that Bluecat had posted.[/QUOTE]
I know, right? I've been reading it for a few years now, and I'm still thirsty.
I know, right? I've been reading it for a few years now, and I'm still thirsty.
100.) Wild Bob - 07/25/2017
[QUOTE=DParker;50355]I know, right? I've been reading it for a few years now, and I'm still thirsty.[/QUOTE]
Stay thirsty my friend.
Stay thirsty my friend.
101.) Swamp Fox - 07/25/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50343]The site's definitely not refreshing. 15 minutes went by with no indication that Bluecat had posted.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DParker;50355]I know, right? I've been reading it for a few years now, and I'm still thirsty.[/QUOTE]
This site is the Chinese restaurant of web forums.
You post something or read something, and an hour later you're hungry again.
Weird.
[QUOTE=DParker;50355]I know, right? I've been reading it for a few years now, and I'm still thirsty.[/QUOTE]
This site is the Chinese restaurant of web forums.
You post something or read something, and an hour later you're hungry again.
Weird.