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1.) Wild Bob - 07/11/2017
Suggestion:
Sit back, grab a cup of coffee or your favorite drink and take a few moments out of your busy day to enjoy a piece of Heaven on earth!
I thought this is a neat little video worth sharing...
Sit back, grab a cup of coffee or your favorite drink and take a few moments out of your busy day to enjoy a piece of Heaven on earth!
I thought this is a neat little video worth sharing...
2.) luv2bowhunt - 07/12/2017
That was cool Bob, thanks for sharing.
They won't let our rivers be wild here in the eastern half of PA. Everything is about keeping sediment out of the Chesapeake Bay. All of our E & S controls are about saving the Bay, and they get carried away with the filter socks, pond skimmers, underground storm water systems, filter bags, blah, blah, blah.
They won't let our rivers be wild here in the eastern half of PA. Everything is about keeping sediment out of the Chesapeake Bay. All of our E & S controls are about saving the Bay, and they get carried away with the filter socks, pond skimmers, underground storm water systems, filter bags, blah, blah, blah.
3.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
That Chesapeake Bay project is quite the tar baby. Remember Maryland's "rain tax" from a few years ago? The CBP is where that came from.
Last I knew, sediment inflow was filling the bay almost as much as bay erosion was, not to mention the unwanted phosphorous and nitrogen from upstream. The bay erosion problem is significant itself, in terms of amount AND its own impacts.
This was in the paper a week or so ago. If I hadn't gone looking for it, I'd never have heard about it. Massive blunder, with some background on the over-all situation, and a mention of Trump's big proposed cut to EPA's budget.
[B][SIZE=2]A dam could derail the Chesapeake Bay cleanup[/SIZE][/B]
[QUOTE]The $19 billion bid to clean the Chesapeake Bay and restore its health rests on a simple plan: cut the amount of nutrient waste — involving nitrogen, phosphorus and sediment — that causes most of the bay’s pollution.
For nearly seven years since the cleanup started, the federal government and six states in the bay’s watershed have reduced municipal sewer overflows that pour nitrogen and phosphorus into rivers that feed into the bay, and cut the fertilizers and other nutrients that run off from hundreds of farms. They also counted on the Conowingo Dam to block massive amounts of sediment in the Susquehanna River from smothering bay grasses that nurture marine life.
But that part of the plan has gone very wrong.
According to a report being prepared by scientists who work for the Environmental Protection Agency program that manages the bay cleanup, the reservoir behind the hydroelectric dam, which sits at the top of the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland, near the Pennsylvania border, has filled with sediment far sooner than the agency had predicted.
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-dam-could-derail-the-chesapeake-bay-cleanup/2017/07/04/cd2b4d46-5c1f-11e7-a9f6-7c3296387341_story.html?utm_term=.ea5b2372bdc5#comments[/url]
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Last I knew, sediment inflow was filling the bay almost as much as bay erosion was, not to mention the unwanted phosphorous and nitrogen from upstream. The bay erosion problem is significant itself, in terms of amount AND its own impacts.
This was in the paper a week or so ago. If I hadn't gone looking for it, I'd never have heard about it. Massive blunder, with some background on the over-all situation, and a mention of Trump's big proposed cut to EPA's budget.
[B][SIZE=2]A dam could derail the Chesapeake Bay cleanup[/SIZE][/B]
[QUOTE]The $19 billion bid to clean the Chesapeake Bay and restore its health rests on a simple plan: cut the amount of nutrient waste — involving nitrogen, phosphorus and sediment — that causes most of the bay’s pollution.
For nearly seven years since the cleanup started, the federal government and six states in the bay’s watershed have reduced municipal sewer overflows that pour nitrogen and phosphorus into rivers that feed into the bay, and cut the fertilizers and other nutrients that run off from hundreds of farms. They also counted on the Conowingo Dam to block massive amounts of sediment in the Susquehanna River from smothering bay grasses that nurture marine life.
But that part of the plan has gone very wrong.
According to a report being prepared by scientists who work for the Environmental Protection Agency program that manages the bay cleanup, the reservoir behind the hydroelectric dam, which sits at the top of the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland, near the Pennsylvania border, has filled with sediment far sooner than the agency had predicted.
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-dam-could-derail-the-chesapeake-bay-cleanup/2017/07/04/cd2b4d46-5c1f-11e7-a9f6-7c3296387341_story.html?utm_term=.ea5b2372bdc5#comments[/url]
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4.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
Enjoyed the video, Bob. I wonder what the project's incentives are for the landowners to "get with the program."
5.) luv2bowhunt - 07/12/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;49999]That Chesapeake Bay project is quite the tar baby. Remember Maryland's "rain tax" from a few years ago? The CBP is where that came from.
Last I knew, sediment inflow was filling the bay almost as much as bay erosion was, not to mention the unwanted phosphorous and nitrogen from upstream. The bay erosion problem is significant itself, in terms of amount AND its own impacts.
This was in the paper a week or so ago. If I hadn't gone looking for it, I'd never have heard about it. Massive blunder, with some background on the over-all situation, and a mention of Trump's big proposed cut to EPA's budget[/QUOTE]
I had this discussion with a career college grad student ecologist expert who's been working on this for school for the last 14 years or so. I finally asked him how do you stop sediment? How is that possible? He finally said, "Well, I guess it isn't".
When I was a kid when it rained hard the streams were all muddy brown for a few days. Now when it rains hard, the streams are all muddy brown for a few days. What has changed? Not a damn thing and they know it. There's an entire industry and student program/career built around E & S Control. This a typical let's all make ourselves feel good about ourselves story.
Great intentions, that can't possibly be fulfilled or even quantified in most cases.
Last I knew, sediment inflow was filling the bay almost as much as bay erosion was, not to mention the unwanted phosphorous and nitrogen from upstream. The bay erosion problem is significant itself, in terms of amount AND its own impacts.
This was in the paper a week or so ago. If I hadn't gone looking for it, I'd never have heard about it. Massive blunder, with some background on the over-all situation, and a mention of Trump's big proposed cut to EPA's budget[/QUOTE]
I had this discussion with a career college grad student ecologist expert who's been working on this for school for the last 14 years or so. I finally asked him how do you stop sediment? How is that possible? He finally said, "Well, I guess it isn't".
When I was a kid when it rained hard the streams were all muddy brown for a few days. Now when it rains hard, the streams are all muddy brown for a few days. What has changed? Not a damn thing and they know it. There's an entire industry and student program/career built around E & S Control. This a typical let's all make ourselves feel good about ourselves story.
Great intentions, that can't possibly be fulfilled or even quantified in most cases.
6.) luv2bowhunt - 07/12/2017
What are the farmers supposed to do? They can't afford to NOT spread manure or try to install billions, yes billions, of dollars worth of E & S Controls to even try to stem the tide of nitrates and phosphorus they get blamed for.
To hell with the Bay, let if fill up with mud. Maryland can just give the big ugly mud hole part to Delaware, no one will know the difference.
To hell with the Bay, let if fill up with mud. Maryland can just give the big ugly mud hole part to Delaware, no one will know the difference.
7.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
LOL---While I have some sympathy for some of that point of view, I think when you add increased run-off and erosion caused by certain practices, inadequate absorption and filtering buffer zones and swept-up chemicals, nutrients, debris etc., there are some things we should be doing. On the other hand, I've been listening to the alarmists around here for decades and I can't think of one example where one of their dire predictions has panned out in terms of real harm.
It's a monster, as you say. If the document weren't read-only, I'd post a flow-chart of the buffer rules in my county, which are quite variable. From the top entry--"Customer walks in"--the county shows you 16 different steps down, sideways and diagonal, depending on your location, your acreage, etc.
It's one of the most dramatic pictures of government regulation you've ever seen. You get dizzy just looking at it.
It's a monster, as you say. If the document weren't read-only, I'd post a flow-chart of the buffer rules in my county, which are quite variable. From the top entry--"Customer walks in"--the county shows you 16 different steps down, sideways and diagonal, depending on your location, your acreage, etc.
It's one of the most dramatic pictures of government regulation you've ever seen. You get dizzy just looking at it.
8.) luv2bowhunt - 07/12/2017
Increased runoff is caused by urban sprawl, which is caused by yuppies wanting to have a big development house with a Lowes, Target, and a Starbucks on every corner. Get tough on them and leave the farmers who have been doing the same practices for 250 years alone.
9.) bluecat - 07/12/2017
Buffer strips are an effective means of reducing sediment and nutrient runoff. What we see though are farmers that farm right up to the edge of rivers and streams. It's a problem here in the land of milk and honey.
10.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50004]Increased runoff is caused by urban sprawl, which is caused by yuppies wanting to have a big development house with a Lowes, Target, and a Starbucks on every corner. Get tough on them [/QUOTE]
I agree.
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50004]and leave the farmers who have been doing the same practices for 250 years alone.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm pretty sure the manure-spreading has been around a long time, but I'm not so sure about the chemicals, LOL. Unfortunately, for most farms of any size, there aren't good alternatives---that I know of, at least.
I wonder if we've gotten to the point where you can't let livestock water in certain locations. I can see that idea coming from trout fishermen. I don't know that you have a real downstream impact other than "more impact is worse impact" but who knows? Big free-roaming herds aren't a factor here, but they would be some places.
Also, 20 cows pooping in your stream probably isn't much more attractive than 200.
I agree.
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50004]and leave the farmers who have been doing the same practices for 250 years alone.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm pretty sure the manure-spreading has been around a long time, but I'm not so sure about the chemicals, LOL. Unfortunately, for most farms of any size, there aren't good alternatives---that I know of, at least.
I wonder if we've gotten to the point where you can't let livestock water in certain locations. I can see that idea coming from trout fishermen. I don't know that you have a real downstream impact other than "more impact is worse impact" but who knows? Big free-roaming herds aren't a factor here, but they would be some places.
Also, 20 cows pooping in your stream probably isn't much more attractive than 200.
11.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;50005]Buffer strips are an effective means of reducing sediment and nutrient runoff. What we see though are farmers that farm right up to the edge of rivers and streams. It's a problem here in the land of milk and honey.[/QUOTE]
Beat me to it.
Beat me to it.
12.) luv2bowhunt - 07/12/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50006]Well, I'm pretty sure the manure-spreading has been around a long time, but I'm not so sure about the chemicals, LOL.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Good thing those developments and strip malls don't have Chem-Lawn and Roundup and Scotts weed barrier being dumped all over them.
.......oh, wait a minute.
Screw the Bay and the fish and Delaware.:grin:
Yeah. Good thing those developments and strip malls don't have Chem-Lawn and Roundup and Scotts weed barrier being dumped all over them.
.......oh, wait a minute.
Screw the Bay and the fish and Delaware.:grin:
13.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
I meant the chemicals used in farming are pretty unavoidable. I was agreeing with you on the commercial and residential development, and thus about their risk concerning chemicals.
"What have the Delawareans ever done for us?"---LOL
"What have the Delawareans ever done for us?"---LOL
14.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
15.) bluecat - 07/12/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50018]Yeah. Good thing those developments and strip malls don't have Chem-Lawn and Roundup and [B]Scotts[/B] weed barrier being dumped all over them.
.......oh, wait a minute.
Screw the Bay and the fish and Delaware.:grin:[/QUOTE]
"Now he's having a go at the Scots!"
.......oh, wait a minute.
Screw the Bay and the fish and Delaware.:grin:[/QUOTE]
"Now he's having a go at the Scots!"
16.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
Ha! I knew there was something there, but was too slow. Even better since I think Luv spelled it "Scots" originally and then corrected. (I'll take my 20 lashes if I'm just imagining that. Add them to my tab, Gerry. LOL)
I rememember "having a go at the flowers now" from [I]Life of Brian[/I]. Was there really a "having a go at the Scots"?
+5 if yes, +4 if no, but the Creative Twist Bonus brings it up to 4.8
I rememember "having a go at the flowers now" from [I]Life of Brian[/I]. Was there really a "having a go at the Scots"?
+5 if yes, +4 if no, but the Creative Twist Bonus brings it up to 4.8
17.) luv2bowhunt - 07/12/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50022]Even better since I think Luv spelled it "Scots" originally and then corrected. (I'll take my 20 lashes if I'm just imagining that. Add them to my tab, Gerry. LOL)[/QUOTE]
I did not edit 'Scotts'. But I'll give you a pass on the lashes. Just bring a bushel of fresh peaches and we'll call it even.
I did not edit 'Scotts'. But I'll give you a pass on the lashes. Just bring a bushel of fresh peaches and we'll call it even.
18.) DParker - 07/12/2017
19.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
Oh, I see how it is...LOL...
Peaches are a bust this year. The corn sucks, too. Pork loins above average, bacon middling and french fries variable.
That concludes today's farm report. In other news, Mrs. Spivey of Circle City has reported a cow loose on Emmett Honeycutt Road, so please use caution when driving in that area ...
Peaches are a bust this year. The corn sucks, too. Pork loins above average, bacon middling and french fries variable.
That concludes today's farm report. In other news, Mrs. Spivey of Circle City has reported a cow loose on Emmett Honeycutt Road, so please use caution when driving in that area ...
20.) bluecat - 07/12/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;50022]Ha! I knew there was something there, but was too slow. Even better since I think Luv spelled it "Scots" originally and then corrected. (I'll take my 20 lashes if I'm just imagining that. Add them to my tab, Gerry. LOL)
I rememember "having a go at the flowers now" from [I]Life of Brian[/I]. Was there really a "having a go at the Scots"?
+5 if yes, +4 if no, but the Creative Twist Bonus brings it up to 4.8[/QUOTE]
+ 4 but I'll take 4.8. There is a dribble glass I have my eye on.
I rememember "having a go at the flowers now" from [I]Life of Brian[/I]. Was there really a "having a go at the Scots"?
+5 if yes, +4 if no, but the Creative Twist Bonus brings it up to 4.8[/QUOTE]
+ 4 but I'll take 4.8. There is a dribble glass I have my eye on.
21.) bluecat - 07/12/2017
Swampy, you selling tickets to the solar eclipse?
22.) bluecat - 07/12/2017
[QUOTE=DParker;50024][/QUOTE]
:grin::re:
[/QUOTE]:grin::re:
23.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
No, but that's a good idea. Life ain't getting any less expensive.
It just barely misses me at Camp Swampy, but I have lots of friends directly in the path. I need to start angling for some invites, LOL.
And if anyone on here happens to be in Myrtle or Georgetown that weekend, let me know! I could use a trip to the beach! :-)
It just barely misses me at Camp Swampy, but I have lots of friends directly in the path. I need to start angling for some invites, LOL.
And if anyone on here happens to be in Myrtle or Georgetown that weekend, let me know! I could use a trip to the beach! :-)
24.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
Looks like Crookedeye's in the same boat. Somebody better warn him or he'll think something's going on.
25.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
It goes right through Columbia, Mizzou. I wonder if that means anything. ---LOL
Here's a site with good state-by-state maps:
[url]http://www.eclipse2017.org/2017/maps.htm[/url]
Here's a site with good state-by-state maps:
[url]http://www.eclipse2017.org/2017/maps.htm[/url]
26.) bluecat - 07/12/2017
I'm guessing it will go up to Columbia then pause and realize what a mistake it is making and then completely change course.
27.) Swamp Fox - 07/12/2017
LOL...+4
28.) Wild Bob - 07/12/2017
I read an article in D&DH that argued that excessive use of Burnt Corn promotes surface erosion. They recommended use of sausage rolls within a 15 feet buffer zone, and filter-bags on your outfalls draining the area (unless used within the Delaware Watershed). :grin:
29.) luv2bowhunt - 07/13/2017
Bob, if these guys had to deal with County Conservation Districts on a regular basis, over meaningless stupidness that amounts to nothingness, they would hate E & S Controls as much as I do.
I've seen such stupidity over something that is useless and does nothing, but since some engineer from Penn State that barely got a diploma drew it onto the plans for a site he's never visited, then it must be constructed that way.
Screw the bay, screw the blue crabs, screw the entire Eastern Shore.
I've seen such stupidity over something that is useless and does nothing, but since some engineer from Penn State that barely got a diploma drew it onto the plans for a site he's never visited, then it must be constructed that way.
Screw the bay, screw the blue crabs, screw the entire Eastern Shore.
30.) Swamp Fox - 07/13/2017
Three engineering students were gathered together discussing who must have designed the human body.
One said, "It was a mechanical engineer. Just look at all the joints."
Another said, "No, it was an electrical engineer. The nervous system has many thousands of electrical connections."
The last one said, "No, actually it had to have been a civil engineer. Who else would run a toxic waste pipeline through a recreational area?"
One said, "It was a mechanical engineer. Just look at all the joints."
Another said, "No, it was an electrical engineer. The nervous system has many thousands of electrical connections."
The last one said, "No, actually it had to have been a civil engineer. Who else would run a toxic waste pipeline through a recreational area?"
31.) bluecat - 07/13/2017
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;50042]Bob, if these guys had to deal with County Conservation Districts on a regular basis, over meaningless stupidness that amounts to nothingness, they would hate E & S Controls as much as I do.
I've seen such stupidity over something that is useless and does nothing, but since some engineer from Penn State that barely got a diploma drew it onto the plans for a site he's never visited, then it must be constructed that way.
Screw the bay, screw the blue crabs, screw the entire Eastern Shore.[/QUOTE]
I've seen such stupidity over something that is useless and does nothing, but since some engineer from Penn State that barely got a diploma drew it onto the plans for a site he's never visited, then it must be constructed that way.
Screw the bay, screw the blue crabs, screw the entire Eastern Shore.[/QUOTE]
32.) Swamp Fox - 07/18/2017
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33.) bluecat - 07/18/2017
Know what I mean, nudge nudge?