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1.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
Yes, that's the exact headline.
Now, if they could do something to introduce turkey hunting, that would be great. :wink
[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama/articles/2017-03-04/baiting-bill-could-bring-deer-hunting-to-alabama[/url]
But seriously, there was a move earlier this spring to charge $15 for a new baiting permit, of which $14 would go to Fish & Game. This would supposedly raise between 1.2 and 1.5 million dollars for the agency. (The remaining $1 would go to a third-party administrator for the work involved in selling the permit.)
I think that besides being unenforceable, such a requirement is unhelpful on a few other levels. For one, it rubs people the wrong way, which I'm sure F&G doesn't need. Secondly, why not just raise fees a few bucks across the board (no pun intended) instead of trying to squeeze one subgroup if you need money so badly?
I'd like to see the arithmetic that says you can't raise more money with a broader fee increase of much less than $15. If F&G did that on existing licenses and permits, they'd also keep the dollar that would otherwise be flying out the door to a middleman. (They're probably already paying the vendor to process all the other licenses; this just adds insult to injury.)
We already have some states charging sportsmen based on what weapon they want to use and nickel-and-diming in other ways; I'm not sure I see this process abating.
I don't think this is any way to run a lemonade stand.
Note:
I tried over the weekend to see if this thing was still alive in the legislature, with no luck. If anyone knows where it stands or what happened to it, or is aware of similar efforts elsewhere, please let me know.
The permit is not among the ones I found offered for the new hunting year on the freshly updated website today, so my guess is it either got quashed or is being held back for consideration at a later date.
[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama/articles/2017-03-04/baiting-bill-could-bring-deer-hunting-to-alabama[/url]
Now, if they could do something to introduce turkey hunting, that would be great. :wink
[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama/articles/2017-03-04/baiting-bill-could-bring-deer-hunting-to-alabama[/url]
But seriously, there was a move earlier this spring to charge $15 for a new baiting permit, of which $14 would go to Fish & Game. This would supposedly raise between 1.2 and 1.5 million dollars for the agency. (The remaining $1 would go to a third-party administrator for the work involved in selling the permit.)
I think that besides being unenforceable, such a requirement is unhelpful on a few other levels. For one, it rubs people the wrong way, which I'm sure F&G doesn't need. Secondly, why not just raise fees a few bucks across the board (no pun intended) instead of trying to squeeze one subgroup if you need money so badly?
I'd like to see the arithmetic that says you can't raise more money with a broader fee increase of much less than $15. If F&G did that on existing licenses and permits, they'd also keep the dollar that would otherwise be flying out the door to a middleman. (They're probably already paying the vendor to process all the other licenses; this just adds insult to injury.)
We already have some states charging sportsmen based on what weapon they want to use and nickel-and-diming in other ways; I'm not sure I see this process abating.
I don't think this is any way to run a lemonade stand.
Note:
I tried over the weekend to see if this thing was still alive in the legislature, with no luck. If anyone knows where it stands or what happened to it, or is aware of similar efforts elsewhere, please let me know.
The permit is not among the ones I found offered for the new hunting year on the freshly updated website today, so my guess is it either got quashed or is being held back for consideration at a later date.
[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama/articles/2017-03-04/baiting-bill-could-bring-deer-hunting-to-alabama[/url]
2.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
:-) :-)
3.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
Bluecat with the assist!
:tu:
:tu:
4.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;49837]Yes, that's the exact headline.
Now, if they could do something to introduce turkey hunting, that would be great. :wink
[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama/articles/2017-03-04/baiting-bill-could-bring-deer-hunting-to-alabama[/url]
But seriously, there was a move earlier this spring to charge $15 for a new baiting permit, of which $14 would go to Fish & Game. This would supposedly raise between 1.2 and 1.5 million dollars for the agency. (The remaining $1 would go to a third-party administrator for the work involved in selling the permit.)
I think that besides being unenforceable, such a requirement is unhelpful on a few other levels. For one, it rubs people the wrong way, which I'm sure F&G doesn't need. Secondly, why not just raise fees a few bucks across the board (no pun intended) instead of trying to squeeze one subgroup if you need money so badly?
I'd like to see the arithmetic that says you can't raise more money with a broader fee increase of much less than $15. If F&G did that on existing licenses and permits, they'd also keep the dollar that would otherwise be flying out the door to a middleman. (They're probably already paying the vendor to process all the other licenses; this just adds insult to injury.)
We already have some states charging sportsmen based on what weapon they want to use and nickel-and-diming in other ways; I'm not sure I see this process abating.
I don't think this is any way to run a lemonade stand.
Note:
I tried over the weekend to see if this thing was still alive in the legislature, with no luck. If anyone knows where it stands or what happened to it, or is aware of similar efforts elsewhere, please let me know.
The permit is not among the ones I found offered for the new hunting year on the freshly updated website today, so my guess is it either got quashed or is being held back for consideration at a later date.
[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama/articles/2017-03-04/baiting-bill-could-bring-deer-hunting-to-alabama[/url][/QUOTE]
When the ATF pulls you over for the pickup load of corn you have while heading to the still sight, you can just tell them you are baiting your deer stand. Perfect.
Now, if they could do something to introduce turkey hunting, that would be great. :wink
[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama/articles/2017-03-04/baiting-bill-could-bring-deer-hunting-to-alabama[/url]
But seriously, there was a move earlier this spring to charge $15 for a new baiting permit, of which $14 would go to Fish & Game. This would supposedly raise between 1.2 and 1.5 million dollars for the agency. (The remaining $1 would go to a third-party administrator for the work involved in selling the permit.)
I think that besides being unenforceable, such a requirement is unhelpful on a few other levels. For one, it rubs people the wrong way, which I'm sure F&G doesn't need. Secondly, why not just raise fees a few bucks across the board (no pun intended) instead of trying to squeeze one subgroup if you need money so badly?
I'd like to see the arithmetic that says you can't raise more money with a broader fee increase of much less than $15. If F&G did that on existing licenses and permits, they'd also keep the dollar that would otherwise be flying out the door to a middleman. (They're probably already paying the vendor to process all the other licenses; this just adds insult to injury.)
We already have some states charging sportsmen based on what weapon they want to use and nickel-and-diming in other ways; I'm not sure I see this process abating.
I don't think this is any way to run a lemonade stand.
Note:
I tried over the weekend to see if this thing was still alive in the legislature, with no luck. If anyone knows where it stands or what happened to it, or is aware of similar efforts elsewhere, please let me know.
The permit is not among the ones I found offered for the new hunting year on the freshly updated website today, so my guess is it either got quashed or is being held back for consideration at a later date.
[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama/articles/2017-03-04/baiting-bill-could-bring-deer-hunting-to-alabama[/url][/QUOTE]
When the ATF pulls you over for the pickup load of corn you have while heading to the still sight, you can just tell them you are baiting your deer stand. Perfect.
5.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
Ha! I hadn't thought of it that way. :-)
I was trying to figure out how you charge a man for baiting without a permit unless you actually catch him baiting. I don't know about game wardens in Alabama, but the wardens I am familiar with in other states don't spend a whole lot of time in the woods. They're out on the road or at the head of the jeep path.
We already let wardens "assume" we're hunting because we look like we might be hunting, and give them all sorts of other weird powers (to stop, to search, to trespass, etc.) but how are you going to write a ticket for baiting without a license if you're not out ambushing hunters at bait sites? Does F&G want to do that? I hear a lot of wailing that they're stretched thin as it is. (Some influencers like to use that one when campaigning against lifting Sunday hunting bans, for example, but to be fair I think that's more of an anti-hunter fairytale than it is something the game departments fervently believe.)
Are we just going to expand the list of things game wardens can assume?
I'd be shocked if law enforcement didn't mention that this new permit would be largely unenforceable, but then again I'd be shocked if they weren't ultimately willing to go along with it.
I was trying to figure out how you charge a man for baiting without a permit unless you actually catch him baiting. I don't know about game wardens in Alabama, but the wardens I am familiar with in other states don't spend a whole lot of time in the woods. They're out on the road or at the head of the jeep path.
We already let wardens "assume" we're hunting because we look like we might be hunting, and give them all sorts of other weird powers (to stop, to search, to trespass, etc.) but how are you going to write a ticket for baiting without a license if you're not out ambushing hunters at bait sites? Does F&G want to do that? I hear a lot of wailing that they're stretched thin as it is. (Some influencers like to use that one when campaigning against lifting Sunday hunting bans, for example, but to be fair I think that's more of an anti-hunter fairytale than it is something the game departments fervently believe.)
Are we just going to expand the list of things game wardens can assume?
I'd be shocked if law enforcement didn't mention that this new permit would be largely unenforceable, but then again I'd be shocked if they weren't ultimately willing to go along with it.
6.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;49840]When the ATF pulls you over for the pickup load of corn you have while heading to the still sight, you can just tell them you are baiting your deer stand. Perfect.[/QUOTE]
"Would you believe I've just learned how to make my own Corn Nuts, and am really, really excited, Officer?"
"Would you believe I've just learned how to make my own Corn Nuts, and am really, really excited, Officer?"
7.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
Post recipe. Those things are spendy AND noisy. :ach:
8.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
I saw something on how to do it not that long ago. Let me see if I can find it.
I LOVE Corn Nuts! But you're right, they ain't cheap.
I LOVE Corn Nuts! But you're right, they ain't cheap.
9.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
I can't locate the exact item I was thinking about, but here's the gist: What you're used to from a store is a specially-developed type of corn (South American origins and then sciencetized to be a bit smaller, if nothing else) which is soaked in water for three days to rehydrate the kernels, and then deep-fried.
I don't see why you can't try that with any other kind of corn you can get your hands on, including deer corn, LOL.
Most recipes on the net call for something a bit fancier, though, but they don't seem outrageous. After wading though quite a number of yuppie and foodie recipes, here are a couple of seemingly doable, accessible and red-blooded versions:
[url]http://www.recipetips.com/recipe-cards/t--2561/corn-snacks-oven-roasted.asp[/url]
[url]https://food52.com/blog/14738-fulfill-every-snacking-need-with-homemade-corn-nuts-two-ways[/url]
I don't see why you can't try that with any other kind of corn you can get your hands on, including deer corn, LOL.
Most recipes on the net call for something a bit fancier, though, but they don't seem outrageous. After wading though quite a number of yuppie and foodie recipes, here are a couple of seemingly doable, accessible and red-blooded versions:
[url]http://www.recipetips.com/recipe-cards/t--2561/corn-snacks-oven-roasted.asp[/url]
[url]https://food52.com/blog/14738-fulfill-every-snacking-need-with-homemade-corn-nuts-two-ways[/url]
10.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
Maybe Juan Valdez harvests them on his little donkey sí?
11.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
I guarantee if the best corn for this didn't come from south of the border, half these hipster doofuses would never eat corn nuts, much less post blogs about them, LOL
12.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
It would be bad if wild game suddenly only ate hipster doofus food.
13.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
...demanding only non-gmo, hormone free, gluten free, msg free, low sodium, no antibiotic, green farm free range alternatives.
That's quite a burden on your average poacher.
That's quite a burden on your average poacher.
14.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
...but if it brought deer hunting to Alabama, I guess that would be good. Basically besides the Crimson Tide, what do they have for recreation?
15.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
Okay, besides Auburn what do they have?
16.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
Aside from Auburn, the Crimson Tide and really good turkey hunting they have nothing.
17.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
LOL...
You've heard of the "field to table [I]movement[/I]," right?
Hipsters. Hipsters everywhere.
I saw this magazine on the racks a week or two ago. I flipped through it but didn't buy it. Don't remember exactly why. Didn't strike me as my thing, but it also didn't seem awful at first glance. But it wasn't my boyhood's outdoor magazine, either.
Preview here:
[url]http://www.recoilweb.com/magazine/carnivore/[/url]
We can take a poll and see how many people want me to go out and buy it and do a fair review...LOL
You've heard of the "field to table [I]movement[/I]," right?
Hipsters. Hipsters everywhere.
I saw this magazine on the racks a week or two ago. I flipped through it but didn't buy it. Don't remember exactly why. Didn't strike me as my thing, but it also didn't seem awful at first glance. But it wasn't my boyhood's outdoor magazine, either.
Preview here:
[url]http://www.recoilweb.com/magazine/carnivore/[/url]
We can take a poll and see how many people want me to go out and buy it and do a fair review...LOL
18.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
Gulf Coast Fishing?
19.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;49865]Aside from Auburn, the Crimson Tide and really good turkey hunting they have nothing.[/QUOTE]
LOL...
They have some really loud women, I know that.
LOL...
They have some really loud women, I know that.
20.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
Alright, aside from Gulf Coast Fishing, beautiful woman with southern accents, the Crimson Tide, the Auburn Tigers and really good turkey hunting, what does Alabama really have?
21.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
No officer, the 50 pounds sacks of corn nuts are for me.
22.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
Nice weather?
23.) bluecat - 07/05/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;49866]LOL...
You've heard of the "field to table [I]movement[/I]," right?
Hipsters. Hipsters everywhere.
I saw this magazine on the racks a week or two ago. I flipped through it but didn't buy it. Don't remember exactly why. Didn't strike me as my thing, but it also didn't seem awful at first glance. But it wasn't my boyhood's outdoor magazine, either.
Preview here:
[url]http://www.recoilweb.com/magazine/carnivore/[/url]
We can take a poll and see how many people want me to go out and buy it and do a fair review...LOL[/QUOTE]
If it doesn't have a "This happened to me." article, how good could it be?
You've heard of the "field to table [I]movement[/I]," right?
Hipsters. Hipsters everywhere.
I saw this magazine on the racks a week or two ago. I flipped through it but didn't buy it. Don't remember exactly why. Didn't strike me as my thing, but it also didn't seem awful at first glance. But it wasn't my boyhood's outdoor magazine, either.
Preview here:
[url]http://www.recoilweb.com/magazine/carnivore/[/url]
We can take a poll and see how many people want me to go out and buy it and do a fair review...LOL[/QUOTE]
If it doesn't have a "This happened to me." article, how good could it be?
24.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
They're gonna make you turn in your Mississippi State card if you keep this up...:-)
Alabama has the Black Warrior WMA, which if anybody was organizing an HC hunt, they could do a lot worse. :wink :fire:
Alabama has the Black Warrior WMA, which if anybody was organizing an HC hunt, they could do a lot worse. :wink :fire:
25.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;49872]If it doesn't have a "This happened to me." article, how good could it be?[/QUOTE]
If you read some of the previews--which are pretty meaty, thankfully--they're well done. There's one on knife sharpening that I didn't read, but you might want to check at the link.
I hate it when you can't get much of an article on line ([I]Carnivore[/I] doesn't seem to be playing that game to the hilt) and I also hate it when a paper magazine refers you to their website "for more information."
C'mon guys! Equalize your print and your web content and quit effin us around.
If you read some of the previews--which are pretty meaty, thankfully--they're well done. There's one on knife sharpening that I didn't read, but you might want to check at the link.
I hate it when you can't get much of an article on line ([I]Carnivore[/I] doesn't seem to be playing that game to the hilt) and I also hate it when a paper magazine refers you to their website "for more information."
C'mon guys! Equalize your print and your web content and quit effin us around.
26.) DParker - 07/05/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;49872]If it doesn't have a "This happened to me." article, how good could it be?[/QUOTE]
"Dear Penthouse, ....."
"Dear Penthouse, ....."
27.) Swamp Fox - 07/05/2017
LOL...
28.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;49869]Alright, aside from Gulf Coast Fishing, beautiful woman with southern accents, the Crimson Tide, the Auburn Tigers and really good turkey hunting, what does Alabama really have?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;49871]Nice weather?[/QUOTE]
Good tunes...:p
[QUOTE=bluecat;49871]Nice weather?[/QUOTE]
Good tunes...:p
29.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;49866]
[/QUOTE]
Eww, what's with all the blood and death and stuff?
[/QUOTE]
Eww, what's with all the blood and death and stuff?
30.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
Right, aside from Gulf Coast Fishing, beautiful woman with southern accents, the Crimson Tide, the Auburn Tigers, really good turkey hunting, nice weather, crawfish boils, stunning landscapes, good tunes, what does Alabama really have?
31.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
Trees that all lean east, because Georgia sucks?
32.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
:-) :-)
33.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
That's just such an old joke that works with any state, so nobody flame me. LOL...I just couldn't do it to Tennessee or Mississippi, so Georgia drew the short straw, which is OK.
Go Gamecocks. ---LOL
Go Gamecocks. ---LOL
34.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;49878]Eww, what's with all the blood and death and stuff?[/QUOTE]
It's so you can tell it from a state wildlife agency magazine.
Sometimes those are so devoid of hunting content you wonder if you're reading something from the State Division of Wildflowers, Insects and Cute Baby Animals (WICBA).
Don't get me started...LOL…I’ll work up a rant about that for later, when I have more time. :fire:
“It didn’t used to be that way.”
It's so you can tell it from a state wildlife agency magazine.
Sometimes those are so devoid of hunting content you wonder if you're reading something from the State Division of Wildflowers, Insects and Cute Baby Animals (WICBA).
Don't get me started...LOL…I’ll work up a rant about that for later, when I have more time. :fire:
“It didn’t used to be that way.”
35.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
Georgia, what do they have besides Videlia onions and peaches?
36.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
Actually, they don't even have peaches. South Carolina grows more and I believe always has. They have a better PR department and floozier women, though, which is why everybody knows Georgia peaches. :wink
They do lead in traffic congestion and orange road construction barrels, though, so they have that going for them, which is nice.
They do lead in traffic congestion and orange road construction barrels, though, so they have that going for them, which is nice.
37.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
LOL...
38.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
Go team?
39.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE=bluecat;49888]Go team?[/QUOTE]
GO AT ME?
GO MEAT?
GOAT ME?
GO AT ME?
GO MEAT?
GOAT ME?
40.) DParker - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;49885]Actually, they don't even have peaches.[/QUOTE]
Not this year, anyway: [URL="https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/georgia/articles/2017-05-31/georgia-peach-crop-faces-nearly-80-percent-loss-this-year"]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/georgia/articles/2017-05-31/georgia-peach-crop-faces-nearly-80-percent-loss-this-year[/URL]
Not this year, anyway: [URL="https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/georgia/articles/2017-05-31/georgia-peach-crop-faces-nearly-80-percent-loss-this-year"]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/georgia/articles/2017-05-31/georgia-peach-crop-faces-nearly-80-percent-loss-this-year[/URL]
41.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
See if you can find something about the floozy women...I'm busy wif a sammich right now...:-)
42.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
You mean some Georgia peaches...:wink
43.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;49885] They have a better PR department and floozier women, though, which is why everybody knows Georgia peaches. :wink
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Originally posted by [B]Swamp Fox [/B]
See if you can find something about the floozy women...I'm busy wif a sammich right now...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;49894]You mean some Georgia peaches...:wink[/QUOTE]
I thought we covered that already...:-)
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Originally posted by [B]Swamp Fox [/B]
See if you can find something about the floozy women...I'm busy wif a sammich right now...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bluecat;49894]You mean some Georgia peaches...:wink[/QUOTE]
I thought we covered that already...:-)
44.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
DParker is googling "Georgia Cheerleaders" even as we speak...LOL
45.) DParker - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;49896]DParker is googling "Georgia Cheerleaders" even as we speak...LOL[/QUOTE]
Pfffffft. I haven't googled a cheerleader since high school.
Pfffffft. I haven't googled a cheerleader since high school.
46.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
I've got Georgia on my mind.
47.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
That Matt Boyd guy's got a hell of a racket, don't he?
48.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
Some days better than others.
49.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
:laugh::laugh:
+6 back atcha :clap:
+6 back atcha :clap:
50.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE=DParker;49897]Pfffffft. I haven't googled a cheerleader since high school.[/QUOTE]
fify
fify
51.) bluecat - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;49886]
LOL...[/QUOTE]
LOL...[/QUOTE]
52.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
[QUOTE]Quote Originally Posted by DParker View Post
Pfffffft. I haven't [I][COLOR="#FF0000"]ogled[/COLOR][/I] a cheerleader since high school.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Originally Posted by bluecat
[/B]
Fify
[/QUOTE]
But we all know that's a lie...LOL
Pfffffft. I haven't [I][COLOR="#FF0000"]ogled[/COLOR][/I] a cheerleader since high school.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Originally Posted by bluecat
[/B]
Fify
[/QUOTE]
But we all know that's a lie...LOL
53.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2017
54.) bluecat - 07/07/2017
LOL!
55.) Swamp Fox - 07/07/2017
