1.) Swamp Fox - 02/09/2017

I see they just came out with a hard-sided tote for packing your gear in. I'm surprised it took so long. The duffel bag was a stroke of genius, though I'm unconvinced the bag itself is of very good quality. Pipe up if you have an opinion on that one way or the other.

The hard-sided tote is probably a little tougher than a duffel for me to pack into or onto the Bronco, and thus probably not something I'll ask Santa for, but I thought I'd bring it to the attention of people who are driving vehicles that do not already remind everyone of the circus coming to town.

I haven't looked yet, but it would shock me if there aren't Youtube videos of homemade ozone totes that have been up for several years.

Yes?



Points of discussion:


1) Scent Crusher makes a little ozone machine to run inside your vehicle. Fifty bucks or so. Anybody tried it on any "real" odors, vs. just in vehicles whose only fault is that they have lost that "new car smell"? ---LOL

2) I briefly gave some thought to buying or renting a big ozone machine to deal with some mold, but looking into it a bit I came to the conclusion that it would probably be ineffective if the problem is inside walls or under flooring (despite advertising to the contrary). Thoughts?

2.) bluecat - 02/09/2017

Doesn't Ozone have a smell all it's own?

3.) Swamp Fox - 02/09/2017

I always thought so, but that it (the odor) dissipates quickly with good ventilation. My impression is that a closed-off ozoned area needs a fairly significant amount of time for ventilation before you can safely occupy the space, though, odor or not.

But for "scent-washing" gear, ozone odor (if any) doesn't seem to be an issue.

4.) bluecat - 02/09/2017

Maybe this is related, but as I mentioned I'm out on a small acreage now and have two deer feeders. As I was walking back to the house yesterday, I noticed my dog Alex was at the feeder sniffing around. He is really curious about the deer and spent some time around the feeder sniffing and generally just being curious. Went into the house and 5 minutes later the deer had arrived (arrive at same time every night). Although Alex chases them off the property when given a chance, they didn't seem to mind his smell. Maybe this is apples and oranges as the deer have associated all those smells and are comfortable with them.

Whenever I hear about Ozone machines and scent lok suits I kind of just shake my head. Maybe I'm not being as careful as I should be, but I just haven't run into too many deer alerting to my presence when I follow some basic rules.

5.) Swamp Fox - 02/09/2017

Deer definitely know how to work around people and dogs if it's part of their normal routine.

For me, carbon clothing is too hot for most of my season and difficult if not impossible to maintain, especially for the money it takes to buy the good stuff. So I own a little, but I'm not a nut about it. In fact, I know that chances are everything I own lost its effectiveness a long time ago and I might as well grab any other bit of clothing that's handy as rely on my Scent Lok.

I'm convinced that some people have bigger challenges fooling a deer's nose than others, though, and it has nothing to do with their body chemistry. What you can get away with in some places or situations will not work elsewhere. The conditions you hunt in make scent control easier or harder than the conditions somebody else hunts in. Etc.

If I could hunt out of a hermetically sealed plastic bubble I'd just be on equal footing here with some other guys elsewhere, who use the same stands over and over, cross deer trails on the way in and out, and smell faintly of cow manure, or elderberries.

So to me, any scent-control idea whether high-tech or low-tech is worthy of at least a little consideration.

6.) Swamp Fox - 02/09/2017

Moops! Moops!

7.) bluecat - 02/09/2017

+2 for the moops reference, +2 for the elderberry reference.

8.) bluecat - 02/09/2017

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;47058]Deer definitely know how to work around people and dogs if it's part of their normal routine.

For me, carbon clothing is too hot for most of my season and difficult if not impossible to maintain, especially for the money it takes to buy the good stuff. So I own a little, but I'm not a nut about it. In fact, I know that chances are everything I own lost its effectiveness a long time ago and I might as well grab any other bit of clothing that's handy as rely on my Scent Lok.

I'm convinced that some people have bigger challenges fooling a deer's nose than others, though, and it has nothing to do with their body chemistry. What you can get away with in some places or situations will not work elsewhere. The conditions you hunt in make scent control easier or harder than the conditions somebody else hunts in. Etc.

If I could hunt out of a hermetically sealed plastic bubble I'd just be on equal footing here with some other guys elsewhere, who use the same stands over and over, cross deer trails on the way in and out, and smell faintly of cow manure, or elderberries.

So to me, any scent-control idea whether high-tech or low-tech is worthy of at least a little consideration.[/QUOTE]

To me, the silver thread idea, is a little more reasonable in its ability to work continuously throughout the life of the garment. I've got some long underwear that employ silver threads. Seems like an economical way of prohibiting odor. Add a little smoke to the equation, how can you go wrong?

9.) Swamp Fox - 02/09/2017

If we don't stop speculating, Crookedeye is gonna get on here soon and demand some real answers from the Scent Professor.

10.) crookedeye - 02/09/2017

there have been people killin deer for many yrs without the scent crushers..including me and the drury brothers, granted i dont kill big ones like the professionals do but the ones i hunt are probally some of the meanest deer in the country..

11.) bluecat - 02/09/2017

LOL!

12.) crookedeye - 02/09/2017

the best underware i bought is mothwing off of camofire..the stuff is really comfortable and you dont get any funky smells in it..just to prove i was right about this underware i told my buddys this year i would wear 1 set of mothwings the whole week and let them smell it at the end of the week..they refused, so there going to have to take my word for it...

13.) bluecat - 02/09/2017

pics?

14.) Swamp Fox - 02/09/2017

LOL...


I knew he'd turn up if we just looked hard enough...

15.) DParker - 02/09/2017

I went into the bathroom a little bit ago, turned off the light and chanted, "Crookedeye! Crookedeye! Crookedeye!" in front of the mirror...so I'm taking credit for this one.

16.) Swamp Fox - 02/09/2017

CE, it's about time to start some turkey threads...Last year was kinda a disaster for me. I'm hoping there's at least one gobbler that's gotten hornier and dumber since then.

17.) crookedeye - 02/09/2017

pretty soon.. i was shopping at cabelas today seen a pretty nice hen decoy from flextone i think it was..almost looks like the davesmiths or avians ..but for only 39 bucks i think it was..

18.) crookedeye - 02/09/2017

i'm thinking i'm not going to buy anything this year..i have everything a turkey hunter could need..

19.) Swamp Fox - 02/09/2017

I keep threatening to buy some choke tubes just to test them, or maybe I should look for some swap opportunities. I have a list of what I want to try around somewhere...

I think I'm good for archery turkeys but I keep my eyes open. Prolly need practice and new land a lot more than I need any new gear, LOL.

20.) crookedeye - 02/09/2017

one item i would like to buy is the shackattack blind i found it for 179.00..that would be my 5th blind i have..i no its going to happen one of these nights, a few drinks some ribs, i'm going to press the button..UPS will be at my door..

21.) bluecat - 02/09/2017

Sounds like a slam dunk. :wink

22.) DParker - 02/09/2017

[QUOTE=bluecat;47084]Sounds like a slam dunk. :wink[/QUOTE]

I don't know whether to award you 5 points or demand that you be banned.

Maybe I'll decide later tonight after a bourbon.

23.) bluecat - 02/09/2017

I'll let your conscience be your guide. But you should know that the ShakAttack is built like a brick house.

Okay, I'm done.

24.) DParker - 02/09/2017

[QUOTE=bluecat;47086]I'll let your conscience be your guide.[/QUOTE]

Well, it's not like you'd be the first person to make that mistake.

25.) Jon - 02/10/2017

[QUOTE=bluecat;47057]Maybe this is related, but as I mentioned I'm out on a small acreage now and have two deer feeders. As I was walking back to the house yesterday, I noticed my dog Alex was at the feeder sniffing around. He is really curious about the deer and spent some time around the feeder sniffing and generally just being curious. Went into the house and 5 minutes later the deer had arrived (arrive at same time every night). Although Alex chases them off the property when given a chance, they didn't seem to mind his smell. Maybe this is apples and oranges as the deer have associated all those smells and are comfortable with them.

Whenever I hear about Ozone machines and scent lok suits I kind of just shake my head. Maybe I'm not being as careful as I should be, but I just haven't run into too many deer alerting to my presence when I follow some basic rules.[/QUOTE]

Funny you brought this up, I have a little Boston Terrier who has become quite the tag along. She goes out on my property with me every time I go and I was concerned (initially) about scent she might be leaving. This all went down the tube when I noticed she was very inquisitive of all the different smells around the feeder, she loves to go under it and she'll stay there until I yell at her to get out of there. the other day I was changing batteries on the trail cam and looked up to see her pooping right next to the feeder! I was pissed but figured, I'd just leave it there and see what the deer do...........yup, didn't phase them one bit. Same amount of deer showed up that day as did the last day etc.
Deer out in the deep woods are far more concerned about different scents than deer that are around neighborhoods.

26.) luv2bowhunt - 02/10/2017

[QUOTE=Jon;47088]Deer out in the deep woods are far more concerned about different scents than deer that are around neighborhoods.[/QUOTE]

Agree 100%, that's like completely.

I've hunted deer around the suburbs and done a lot of hunting in deep woods tracts. They are like 2 entirely different species. You can get away with so much more intrusion and human scent when hunting deer that can't afford to run every time they smell a human.

In the deep woods one or two bad encounters can be a game changer. They can afford to run whenever they smell something out of place and they don't have to be back anytime soon. They've got a ton of other acreage to live on. When I check my cameras in the deep woods, it's normal to not get another visit to the area for 3 or 4 days. With urban deer, I have them show up at the camera an hour or less after I'm gone.

27.) Swamp Fox - 02/10/2017

I've been in situations where human-habituated deer know how to dodge you, which is not good for bowhunting, so I wouldn't say they're letting me get away with anything, at least not if they think they're being hunted. If they let you get away with having a cup of coffee on your back deck while they eat your honeysuckle forty yards away, that's a different story.

Also have seen deep woods deer that you'd think are winding you show some curiosity rather than bolting right away. This while their running buddies are making it for the next county. Gone.

I suppose what all that says is that individual deer may not act alike, even when compared to deer in similar conditions. What it doesn't say is that the deer aren't on alert or that their noses failed them, or that you fooled them somehow.

The tasty bastards know what's up...


*****

A DIY ozone tote might be on the agenda in the next few weeks. I've got some ideas. If anyone's interested or done this themselves, let me know.

28.) Swamp Fox - 06/01/2017

Saw this ozone machine advertised recently. I never got around to fooling with building a tote (box) since I never got over the fact that I prefer packing dufffels to boxes. Supposedly you can set this running in a bag, so it could be a better item for me. Was also interested to see the claim that

[QUOTE]The SCENTLOK ENFORCER™ also helps to re-activate carbon alloy extending the field life of your SCENTLOK carbon clothing.[/QUOTE]


I thought Scent Lok would have learned their lesson about claims like that by now, but maybe not. I haven't had any time to look into it, though.



[url]https://scentlokenforcer.com/products/the-scentlok-enforcer[/url]

29.) bluecat - 06/01/2017

It was my understanding that the activated charcoal in ScentLok had to be subjected to extremely high temperatures (so high that it was not possible to do feasibly) to free the odor molecules from the carbon. Maybe the Ozone destroys the molecule.

30.) Swamp Fox - 06/01/2017

You would think they'd say that if that were the case, then, instead of claiming it helps "reactivate carbon alloy" thus "extending the field life," whatever that's supposed to mean.


Somebody would have to explain to me how ozone reactivates anything. But then again, I'm no meteorologist.

31.) Swamp Fox - 06/01/2017

I do know ozone is no good for rubber, so that nixes the idea of using an ozone machine in my favorite duffels with rubber linings.

32.) bluecat - 06/01/2017

I know that Ozone kills bacteria and is used to sanitize hot tubs etc. So if I had to guess, Ozone maybe killing the bacteria on scentlok carbon. I agree, they should divulge what is going on instead of keeping the consumer in the dark.

I mean how can a pillow adjust to your sleep position and never go flat? I really want to know. Is there a microprocessor in there that I don't know about? I'm going to get to the bottom of this. You know I will.

33.) bluecat - 06/01/2017

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;49240]I do know ozone is no good for rubber[/QUOTE]

You might want to keep that thing away from your wallet too. Just sayin.

34.) Swamp Fox - 06/01/2017

LOL...I'm sure ozone properly applied can kill odors. But you'd need a closed system, the proper dosage, etc. I don't know what "reactivating the carbon alloy" means. My guess? It's marketing nonsense. Sounds more high-tech than the very old-fashioned "kills bacteria."

#science...LOL


I'll take this back if someone shows me how ozone "reactivates" anything.

35.) Swamp Fox - 06/01/2017

Here's the one and only review of the Enforcer on the Dick's website...LOL

[QUOTE]★★★★★ 5 out of 5 stars.\t· 5 months ago
great so far
I put my hunting clothes in a plastic tote for scent control. I used this for the first time in my tote to ozone my clothes and it seemed to work great. I did not see any deer but my clothes smelled like ozone.[/QUOTE]

36.) DParker - 06/01/2017

[QUOTE]★★★★★ 5 out of 5 stars.\t· 5 months ago
great so far
I put my hunting clothes in a plastic tote for scent control. I used this for the first time in my tote to ozone my clothes and it seemed to work great. I did not see any deer but my clothes smelled like ozone.[/QUOTE]

The sad thing is that's probably one of the more useful user reviews I've read lately.

37.) Swamp Fox - 06/01/2017

ScentLok should put him on the payroll...

38.) bluecat - 06/02/2017

I love the smell of ozone in the morning.