1.) luv2bowhunt - 08/04/2016

OK, starting to seriously consider one of these. As I get older it's getting harder to get back in to some of my spots and now that PA has changed the law, these e-bikes are no longer considered motorized vehicles. Anyone have any experience with these?

Would save me a ton of time scouting and checking cameras too.

2.) bluecat - 08/04/2016

3.) Jon - 08/04/2016

maybe instead of that extra donut in the morning with your coffee, you could do a little cardio workout?

4.) DParker - 08/04/2016

There's a guy who regularly hunts in my favorite WMA, where ATVs are prohibited, and uses a bike like that (it's not that same make, though I've never looked at it closely enough to know which one it is) to get down the mile or so of logging road that gets you deep into the area. Then he chains it to a tree just off the road where he hikes the rest of the way in. He also has a wheeled game cart rigged up so that it will attach to the back of the bike. I guess those little electric motors have more oomph then I would have thought.

5.) luv2bowhunt - 08/04/2016

[QUOTE=Jon;42862]maybe instead of that extra donut in the morning with your coffee, you could do a little cardio workout?[/QUOTE]

:tu: OK Mr. Flatlander.

6.) Jon - 08/04/2016

FatKat is the manufacturer I've seen, name makes allot of sense

7.) luv2bowhunt - 08/04/2016

[QUOTE=DParker;42864]I guess those little electric motors have more oomph then I would have thought.[/QUOTE]

I would definitely like to try one out before I fork over $2,500.00. I wonder how it does on pretty steep mountain logging roads.

8.) Jon - 08/04/2016

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;42865]:tu: OK Mr. Flatlander.[/QUOTE]
We have hills.......

9.) luv2bowhunt - 08/04/2016

You have bumps.

10.) Jon - 08/04/2016

bumps are the fools playing pokemon go when they decide to walk into the road, they are always from Pa too

11.) Swamp Fox - 08/05/2016

Maybe you could rent one for a weekend to test drive it. Attaching a game cart is a must but a good system is hard to find.

I don't understand how Pa. can consider them not motorized vehicles, but then again, I don't understand Philadelphia Eagles fans, either.

One thing I'd check is the brakes in morning dew. My "mountain bike" makes an awful scream going down hills when damp. I've actually learned to get off the bike and walk it down rather than freak out every animal within half a mile. I'm gonna guess that for $2500 you get a different brake system than my 1990's hybrid pedal bike, but I figured it's worth mentioning.

(By "hybrid" I mean it's a cross between a mountain bike and a road bike, not that it is like a Prius, LOL.)

12.) luv2bowhunt - 08/05/2016

The Rambo has ball bearing disc brakes. Actually, 46 states are pretty much in agreement on e-bikes being bikes not motor vehicles. You'd have to check if NC is one of the 4 who are in the wrong on the issue. There is a cart that is made for the Rambo bike, costs $179.99.

The big issue from what I've read is that the purest elite mountain bikers aren't too keen on sharing the trial with the e-bikes. Kind of like the Traditional vs. Compound vs. Crossbow argument I suppose.

13.) Swamp Fox - 08/05/2016

Huh... I'll have to look at the video etc. when I get home in a couple of days to get the details. I'm out in the boonies using my smartphone as a hotspot this week, and have nearly used up my whole data allowance in two half-days...Bastards!

Does the bike have a motor? If so, I'd say it's a motor vehicle. :wink We have a lot of areas that are marked "Foot Traffic Only" which technically excludes mountain bikes and horses, but I don't know of any real enforcement. Public Game Lands are off-limits to ATVs etc. by definition, unless there are one or two weird new exceptions somewhere in the state that I don't know about. Then there are the designated Wilderness Areas, where you'd run into a problem with anything that has wheels on it, even a cart.

You have a limited window here where pedaling a bike won't leave you drenched with sweat, even on flat ground. Forget about hills. I get hunting use out of my bike starting no earlier than November for deer, and then it's still best not to count on it for coming out or going in except in the dark. I had hoped it would help with October after-work hunts, but it became too much of a chore to wipe down, change clothes, etc. after even a minimal amount of pedaling.

Nowadays, I get the most out of my bike during turkey season. (April -May). Good thing turkeys don't have a sense of smell!

14.) luv2bowhunt - 08/05/2016

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;42885]Does the bike have a motor? If so, I'd say it's a motor vehicle. :wink[/QUOTE]

The problem was people using e-bikes in towns were getting cited for not having a vehicle registration or riding on bike trails with an electric motor. The federal gov't had already ruled on this to encourage people to use bikes in commuting and saving the planet from certain destruction from Broncos and such.

Pa was one of the last states to get on board (I'm shocked) but here is how the law reads; "Pedalcycle with electric assist, A vehicle weighing not more than 100 lbs with 2 or 3 wheels more than 11" in dia. manufactured or assembled with an electric motor system rated at not more than 750 watts and equipped with operable pedals and capable of a speed not more than 20 mph on a level surface when powered by the motor source only."

That's pretty much the same language as the federal gov't and what most states have adopted. I contacted DCNR and spoke with the Forest Ranger of the State Forest I hunt most often, and he assured me they consider an e-bike the same as any mountain bike.

So, virtually all trails that are not designated hiking only (which is a small %) and all logging roads that are closed to motor vehicles and ATV's (which are all of them), would be open for me to ride an e-bike on. Dead end logging roads are where I do 99% of my hunting. What will really save me a ton of time is to use it scouting and checking cameras.

Hunting, I'm not so sure I would want to use it as often. But definitely would help to scout much, much quicker and in a larger area. The Rambo R750 has pushed the rules right to the edge but is considered a bike. With the pedal assist or using it in full throttle would virtually eliminate the sweat factor.


I'm 90% sure I'm going to take the plunge by next Summer.

15.) billy b - 08/05/2016

Well when are you going to get this thing???????????
I want to see pics of you going past your game camera or I won't believe that you really did spend the money.......I'll believe it when you show me a video of you.:wink

16.) luv2bowhunt - 01/23/2017

[QUOTE=billy b;42889]Well when are you going to get this thing???????????
I want to see pics of you going past your game camera or I won't believe that you really did spend the money.......I'll believe it when you show me a video of you.:wink[/QUOTE]

Don't have a picture of me on it, but this is mine. I luv this thing, a game changer for sure. During bow season it took me 40 minutes to get to this spot, did it on Sat. morning in 6 minutes.

And remember billy, I'm not like Swampy. I don't just talk about maybe doing things someday. I'm a doer.:wink


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17.) DParker - 01/23/2017

Those are some serious tires. I assume it handles soft dirt pretty well?

18.) luv2bowhunt - 01/23/2017

[QUOTE=DParker;46796]Those are some serious tires. I assume it handles soft dirt pretty well?[/QUOTE]

First time I went in I didn't realize they had started some new logging operations. With the warm weather we've had the last 2 weeks the logging road was a rutted mudhole. It would have given my Jeep Wrangler a real workout getting in there. The bike handled it great, chewed threw the soft stuff.

Coming out was even more of a workout going uphill, and it did great. The only issue I've had with the fat tires is in the steering. For me, there's a learning curve because hitting rocks seems to make it move more than with a thinner tire. It would be a workout for me to keep it on a rocky single track without getting off course.

But I'm not a mountain biker, I'm just an old bowhunter looking for an easy ride in and out.

19.) Swamp Fox - 01/23/2017

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;46795]

And remember billy, I'm not like Swampy. I don't just talk about maybe doing things someday. I'm a doer.:wink [/QUOTE]


Yeah, I remember that time you were with us at Battle Mountain, and signed up early for the Blue-Gray Bowhunt...LOL


:groan:


:p......

20.) Swamp Fox - 01/23/2017

So, how are the brakes? You had it out on a nice foggy morning.

21.) luv2bowhunt - 01/23/2017

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;46798].... at Battle Mountain....[/QUOTE]

I do not recall that. Sounds like a silly place.

22.) luv2bowhunt - 01/23/2017

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;46799]So, how are the brakes? You had it out on a nice foggy morning.[/QUOTE]

Brakes are great. Wasn't the fog that worried me, it was the steep grade down the mountain. Was hitting 15 mph and I was a little nervous, but all's well that ends well.

23.) Swamp Fox - 01/23/2017

Ah....You don't need your skull anyway as long as you don't break the skin...LOL


Do you know if you can attach the cart if you have the back rack attached? Something in their literature sent up a flare for me about that.

Also would be interested to hear what you think of their bow holder. Protection for the bow, etc.

24.) Swamp Fox - 01/23/2017

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;46801]Brakes are great. [/QUOTE]


So no squeal in damp conditions?

Much other noise from the bike? ---Rattle and hum? (See what I did there?)

25.) Swamp Fox - 01/23/2017

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;46800]I do not recall that. Sounds like a silly place.[/QUOTE]

+3 :-)

26.) luv2bowhunt - 01/23/2017

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;46806]Do you know if you can attach the cart if you have the back rack attached? Something in their literature sent up a flare for me about that.

Also would be interested to hear what you think of their bow holder. Protection for the bow, etc.[/QUOTE]


You need the back luggage rack to have something to attach the cart to. I'm going to buy a luggage rack but hook up my own cart. I've seen lots of that done on other forums. Of course these are forums that actually discuss hunting related issues and such. :re:

Not sure I'm liking their bow holder. Will probably just put mine over my back using my sling. I think it would be safer there.

No noise on the breaks at all. The only noise you get with this bike is whatever noise the tires are making, frozen ground, rocks, leaves, etc. It is really quiet. The power it has is pretty impressive. The logging road I went up Sat. has about 500' of elev. change in 3/4 of a mile. I went right up and never even had to peddle. I did a few other tests, as long as it gets traction, it will pull you up pretty much any hill.

27.) Swamp Fox - 01/23/2017

Cool...If you have any links to bike-and-cart discussions, I would be interested.

They don't have to be on hunting forums, necessarily. Just plain old places where friends hang out and shoot the breeze on a regular basis would be okay, too. LOL :wink :poke:

I was thinking maybe the cart could/must go on the seat post, or that possibly someone was dumb enough to design it so that if you used the cart, you couldn't use the rack.

I sometimes put a stand on my back or wear a pack (and I've never seen a system I liked for lashing a weapon to a pack, but maybe someone can educate me) so I put four grips across the handlebars. Somewhat dependent on the bow riser you're using and how your handlebar is laid out, and you have to learn how to load, steer, mount and dismount with a weapon mounted, but it works okay.

The grips I use are a set of Fin Grips (I think) on the inside and a set of those big honking ATV ratchet grips (Kolpin, I think) on each outside end.

28.) billy b - 01/23/2017

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;46800]I do not recall that. Sounds like a silly place.[/QUOTE]

Yes you remember, it was the place you were too high class and important to go too, don't say you weren't invited, you had a personal message invite from me.:tap:

29.) luv2bowhunt - 01/24/2017

Jon was there so I couldn't go. He hates my guts.

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30.) DParker - 01/24/2017

That's just cold.

31.) Swamp Fox - 01/24/2017

:laugh:


"I spent eight years at Battle Mountain one weekend."


[url]http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/12/26/week-in-philly/[/url]

32.) Swamp Fox - 01/24/2017

In response to my earlier comment re. status as "motorized vehicles":



[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;42887]...

Pa was one of the last states to get on board (I'm shocked) but here is how the law reads; "Pedalcycle with electric assist, A vehicle weighing not more than 100 lbs with 2 or 3 wheels more than 11" in dia. manufactured or assembled with an electric motor system rated at not more than 750 watts and equipped with operable pedals and capable of a speed not more than 20 mph on a level surface when powered by the motor source only."

That's pretty much the same language as the federal gov't and what most states have adopted. I contacted DCNR and spoke with the Forest Ranger of the State Forest I hunt most often, and he assured me they consider an e-bike the same as any mountain bike.

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I haven't had time to check on any state land I hunt or would be interested in regarding this, but my impression from browsing around regarding Federal land (which dominates public hunting opportunities in terms of acreage and difficulty of access around here, I'd say) indicates that e-bikes are still considered motorized vehicles by Washington, and therefore would be a no-no in [COLOR="#FF0000"]large parts of[/COLOR] the National Forests and Federal Wildlife Refuges.

Am I on the right track, here? (pun intended :wink)


[Red ink indicates edit for clarity of intention.]

33.) luv2bowhunt - 01/24/2017

Here's the Federal law, which PA duplicated.

[url]http://www.iloveebikes.com/distributorfiles/fedregulation.pdf[/url]


The ebike is definitely considered a bike under PA and Federal law. Only question that remains; are mountain bikes allowed on the Federal land you're on? If they are, how can they stop you from riding an ebike?

34.) luv2bowhunt - 01/24/2017

Well, I read a few posts from different National Forests and Parks and they seem to be all over the place. I think this will end up in court when some lawyer gets cited for riding an ebike on Federal land; which is considered a "bicycle" under Federal law.

This will be an issue for quite some time as the ebike popularity continues to rise. Lucky for me, I contacted the State Forest I'm on and they gave me 2 thumbs up for using it there. I intend to keep the PA law and the email from DCNR with me at all times.

....and a pointed stick in case all else fails.

35.) Swamp Fox - 01/24/2017

Re. your post above the last one:

Most stuff I'm seeing indicates something slightly different and more nuanced. I'll look at it more closely tonight if I have time, but here's where I am so far:

Speaking strictly about the Feds--

The ebikes are not automatically excluded, but they ARE put in a category with motorized vehicles. They would be allowed on some trails, but not on others. As far as I can tell, they would not automatically be allowed wherever you can ride a mountain bike, and they would definitely be excluded from some areas.

So far, I'm still searching for the one or two places that explain that clearly...Not easy.

Your federal dollars at work on the web: spreading information, truth and justice. ---LOL

36.) luv2bowhunt - 01/24/2017

Yeah, it's as clear as mud to me. Glad I'm not on Federal land. Bad enough I expect a load of crap from the first fellow bowhunter that notices I'm riding a 'motor' bike down the trail. I'm seriously going to peddle the bike during daylight trips.

With the power assist that is a piece of cake as well.

37.) DParker - 01/24/2017

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;46830]Here's the Federal law, which PA duplicated.

[url]http://www.iloveebikes.com/distributorfiles/fedregulation.pdf[/url]


The ebike is definitely considered a bike under PA and Federal law. Only question that remains; are mountain bikes allowed on the Federal land you're on? If they are, how can they stop you from riding an ebike?[/QUOTE]

The problem with that is that, WRT federal law, the definition of "electric bicycle" given there is only applicable to that amended section of the Consumer Product Safety Act, as indicated by the verbiage...

[INDENT]"(b) For the purpose of this section,the term `low-speed electric bicycle' means..."[/INDENT]

Other statutes/regulations that govern federal lands are free to have their own definitions that are different. In fact, here's a paper from the U.S. Forest Service that states that their regulations put ebikes in the "motor vehicles" category: [URL="http://flagstaffbiking.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/20150929EBikesBriefingPaper.pdf"]U.S. Forest Service National Forest System Briefing Paper[/URL]

38.) Swamp Fox - 01/24/2017

LOL...I read somewhere a while back--it might have been in [I]Outside[/I] or [I]Blue Ridge Outdoors[/I], one of that type---about social media and comment sections posts threatening violence if some of the purist mountain bikers ever came across a ebike rider on the trail.


Should I add another LOL to that?

LOL

39.) DParker - 01/24/2017

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;46833]Bad enough I expect a load of crap from the first fellow bowhunter that notices I'm riding a 'motor' bike down the trail.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I don't know. There's a guy who has been using one at my favorite WMA for a few years now, and nobody seems to care. In fact, everyone I've talked to at the parking area thinks he's smarter than the rest of us.

Don't let that go to your head.

40.) Swamp Fox - 07/25/2019

I thought this was helpful,, for a listicle ...



[url]https://ebikegeneration.com/blogs/news/top-7-electric-hunting-bikes-for-2019[/url]



Last time I checked in on this subject, a lot of guys were into build-yer-own and buying bikes that weren't being marketed specifically as "hunting bikes."

While I understand the sentiment, I think here's a lot of value in being able to accessorize easily, which will/might be more difficult outside the "hunting bike" universe of mfrs ... I mean manufacturers .... LOL



Is anyone selling quality gear to trick out a generic mountain or e-bike for hunting?

41.) Swamp Fox - 07/25/2019

I love/hate reading internet review sites, especially the ones written by obvious non-native English speakers.

First you have the fact that most of these reviews are search engine optimized clickbait crap written by non-users who will next "review" something completely unrelated for another $5, but then there is the gibberish.

Behold. I thought this one was extra amusing:



[QUOTE]Essentially, hunting bikes should feature all the building blocks that make good electric bikes, but also throw into the equation a couple of features that come in handy once you girdle the rifle and wander off into the wild.

Let’s take a look at some of the most important mentions from both these feature categories.
….

The motor is a hearth of an electric bike.

…

Namely, the bike can breeze at speeds up to pretty impressive 45km/h (in the 1000W variety) and cover the range of 64 kilometers on a single charge. Of course, these two numbers are mutually excluded but they still put on one pretty impressive performance.

'''


There are other things we would like to mention but we are running dangerously out of space. You get the idea, though.

...

Unfortunately, the range is all but great.

...

So, let's cover the bike's aluminum alloy frame – it's both capable to withstand all kinds of elements it can find in the open and environment and features one of the best looks in the market. Seriously, we haven't laid our eyes on something so beautiful in who knows how many years.

...

But, it’s also hard not to notice this neat vehicle costs a couple of grands less than the two bikes we just reviewed. If this sounds interesting it’s because it actually is.

Now, as you would expect from a budget entry, all semblance of advanced features is all but present. That’s not something we’re particularly thrilled about, but also not something much pricier bikes are guilty of. Still, would it be too much to ask for a carrier and a pair of decent mudguards?

‘’’


Ok, by now you’ve probably got the impression we are unfairly beating this poor bike into submission. That’s not the case – we actually loved this vehicle and loved it a lot. We are just struggling to find one reason to recommend it to you instead of some other contenders.

But, if you are rooting for QuietKat and don't mind spending a couple of thousands of dollars on a bike that doesn't truly excel at anything, you won't find anything particularly bad about this entry.


The things we liked
•\tStrong build
•\tSolid core specs
•\tNice inclusions like a stainless steel chain
•\tReliable performance
•\tAppealing design

The things we didn’t like
•\tThe vehicle is completely devoid of any obvious selling points
….

But, for all of you in favor of this brand, don’t worry – we’ve ranked only the five best hunting bikes. And there is nothing bad at being fifth.

...

We hope you enjoyed this roundup of most popular electric skateboards aimed at children and youth. What do you think about our choices? Let us know and share the post with your friends on Facebook.


[url]https://electric-biking.com/hunting-bikes/[/url]

[/QUOTE]

42.) DParker - 07/26/2019

I've read far more of those than I care to admit, and I'm fair certain they're automatically generated by Chinese software with nary a human involved, save for whoever types in the name of a subject and clicks the "Do the needful" button. Ditto most "10 Best Whateveryourethinkingofbuying" review videos on YouTube.

43.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2019

Oh, yeah. There are a lot of worse ones out there.

I'm going with some human involvement on this one. Maybe even Russian involvement, which seems to be the worst kind.


I would highlight my favourite attemptions for recognition from above, but we are running dangerously out of space ...

44.) DParker - 07/26/2019

45.) bluecat - 07/26/2019

[I]The motor is a hearth of an electric bike.[/I]

What in the Wold?

46.) DParker - 07/26/2019

[QUOTE=bluecat;58723][I]The motor is a hearth of an electric bike.[/I]

What in the Wold?[/QUOTE]

Maybe his test model caught on fire.

47.) bluecat - 07/26/2019

48.) Swamp Fox - 07/27/2019

[QUOTE=DParker;58722][/QUOTE]


LOL ...

49.) luv2bowhunt - 07/29/2019

This will be my third hunting season with the bike and I absolutely luv it. One of the best purchases I've made, mostly for the ability to get stands in and out 2 miles in without having a 3 day physical recovery period.

Scouting trips are better too, I don't waste half my energy just getting in and out of remote places. I can be back in 1 1/2 miles in 7 or 8 minutes depending on the condition of the trail.

50.) Swamp Fox - 07/30/2019

If I recall, you bought a Rambo? Is it a rear-hub motor? How has it done on your inclines? (Note, please, that I am foregoing a few sarcastic jabs which I could [Insert Here] LOL :wave:)


Would be interested in what you have learned about accessorizing/hunting with the bike over time.

51.) Swamp Fox - 07/30/2019

Looking back through the thread, I think I see a mid-motor?

52.) luv2bowhunt - 07/30/2019

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;58751]If I recall, you bought a Rambo? Is it a rear-hub motor? How has it done on your inclines? (Note, please, that I am foregoing a few sarcastic jabs which I could [Insert Here] LOL :wave:)


Would be interested in what you have learned about accessorizing/hunting with the bike over time.[/QUOTE]


Yep, I got the Rambo. It is a mid drive with the motor below the pedal hub. The new models have flipped the motor up above the pedals which is a great idea. It gives you a bunch more ground clearance than what I deal with on the original model.

I was worried that it wouldn't pull some of the steep logging roads but I've found it has done really well. On 90% of our inclines, (not sure what % incline but the ones that are noticeably steep when you're walking) the bike goes up fine on the highest power level. But on the really steep inclines (the ones where you really feel it walking) you have to pedal assist to keep it moving smoothly.

But this is pedal assist and you really aren't working much at all. If you've ever ridden an ebike you know what I'm talking about. It's a strange feeling to be pedaling so easily without much effort when you're going up a very steep incline. 1st gear on 9 power is virtually effortless, you won't break a sweat doing it for a couple hundred yards.

I put a luggage rack on the back to haul treestands and to hook my bike cart up to. Only thing I'm changing for this season is to add mole skin to the rack. This will make it quieter and eliminate the metal to metal contact with the stands.

Like I said, game changer for me, I couldn't imagine hanging my stands without it now, it really makes my life easier that way.

53.) Swamp Fox - 07/30/2019

:tu:

Is it just me, or has that bike or similar gone up in price since you bought?


Amazing how much you can spend on an e-bike at this point.

54.) luv2bowhunt - 07/31/2019

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;58760]:tu:

Is it just me, or has that bike or similar gone up in price since you bought?


Amazing how much you can spend on an e-bike at this point.[/QUOTE]


Yes, they've gone way up in price. I got the first generation 750c for $1,900.00 through Amazon. I see the 2nd generation bikes are selling for $3,000-$3,500.

QuietKat is probably the cadillac of ebikes and they are priced that way. If you really wanted to go cheap, the best thing to do would be to buy a decent used mountain bike and convert it into an ebike. I've seen the videos, and it isn't terribly hard. The hardest part is dealing with removing the pedals, it requires some special tools.

If I had to do it again, I would probably go that route. I enjoy those kind of projects...........at least until I can't get something put together or figured out. Then I'd want to throw it off a cliff.

I assume you're not really serious about getting one, just trying to feed a hunting related discussion, which I commend you for. May your tribe increase. :wink

55.) bluecat - 07/31/2019

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;58763] May your tribe increase. :wink[/QUOTE]



I really don't see the humor in that. Exploiting native Americans for your own personal gain is deplorable - unless you are at least 1024th native American.

56.) luv2bowhunt - 07/31/2019

If she wins I swear I'm blowing my head off.

57.) Swamp Fox - 07/31/2019

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;58763]

I assume you're not really serious about getting one, just trying to feed a hunting related discussion, which I commend you for. May your tribe increase. :wink[/QUOTE]


You get me ... LOL ...



[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;58772]If she wins I swear I'm blowing my head off.[/QUOTE]


Even letting her bury you up to the neck to entertain the scorpions and the fire ants seems like a good alternative to a Warren presidency... Not sure how often the Cherokees did that, though. But she could have learned along the path of many moons. I just don't know. I have not walked in her moccasins ...

58.) Swamp Fox - 08/01/2019

These bad boys are $4300- $4900.

I guess the prescription for geezers in the backcountry who don't invest is to stay in really good shape...

Or more cowbell.







[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_nJCIiantU[/url]

59.) Jon - 05/27/2020

Hmm, an actual hunting equipment thread that went no more than 3 posts in a row away from topic! I'm impressed guys.
I have to admit, I have been studying these ebikes for a while and with all the talk about ease of getting to and from your stands, I'm interested.
After comparing many brands, I've decided to buy a QuietKat Ranger 1000 with the hunting package that includes a trailer, gun rack, front and rear racks with bags and a GPS mount.
Just leased a pretty big farm and with the crops up, it's 1400yds around to the other side, tough walk but easy ride.
Thanks for all the good advice Luv2 even though I hate your guts.
PS. I still love your picture in the skinny jeans with the oak tree, very sexy <3

60.) bluecat - 05/27/2020

[QUOTE=Jon;42862]maybe instead of that extra donut in the morning with your coffee, you could do a little cardio workout?[/QUOTE]

Looks like it derailed on post #3.

Lighten up Jon, it's all good!

61.) Swamp Fox - 05/28/2020

LOL .... Another classic, I'd say ... :wink :dig::bad:

Good to see you, Jon!

:wave:

62.) Swamp Fox - 05/28/2020

I couldn't find anything about the QuietCat Ranger 1000 until I stumbled on this gem, which is awesomely helpful for all the hunters not speaking english but wanting sweet riding in the wilderness that can't be compared to walking, especially with necessary gear and many yards/metres of chlllenging terrain. It is especially important that the the is chief among the features.

If you like to pray over your deceased buck in an harsh and too wide open filed or just like to ride across flat land in a lickety split saving time and sweat these awesome bikes make for perfect. And if you must explore over hills and small mountains you will find much relief!

[url]https://ebikegeneration.com/blogs/news/top-7-electric-hunting-bikes-for-2019[/url]

63.) Jon - 05/28/2020

Engrish is more hard

64.) bluecat - 05/28/2020

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;61030]I couldn't find anything about the QuietCat Ranger 1000 until I stumbled on this gem, which is awesomely helpful for all the hunters not speaking english but wanting sweet riding in the wilderness that can't be compared to walking, especially with necessary gear and many yards/metres of chlllenging terrain. It is especially important that the the is chief among the features.

If you like to pray over your deceased buck in an harsh and too wide open filed or just like to ride across flat land in a lickety split saving time and sweat these awesome bikes make for perfect. And if you must explore over hills and small mountains you will find much relief!

[url]https://ebikegeneration.com/blogs/news/top-7-electric-hunting-bikes-for-2019[/url][/QUOTE]

I think I know what Swampy does in his free time now.

65.) Swamp Fox - 05/29/2020

It's not really free time ... Everyone should have a side gig or three these days ....

My elevator sales pitch to internet forums, social media platforms and outdoor websites when looking for freelance work:

"You want a content contributor? I got your content contributor right here ... [grabbing motion]"


:wink

66.) Jon - 06/25/2020

Got the bike, finally! Looks to be the ticket. Seems to drag my fat ass with only the motor at 20mph for as long as I want to sit.

67.) bluecat - 06/25/2020

Very cool, now the big question is, does the camo on the bike match your hunting clothes?

68.) Jon - 06/25/2020

[QUOTE=bluecat;61213]Very cool, now the big question is, does the camo on the bike match your hunting clothes?[/QUOTE]

I've never really been a matched camo guy. I wear what's in the bin, wash it and wear it again. Deer don't care

69.) bluecat - 06/25/2020

Jon, you know me better than that! I was joking.

Will that thing go up hills?

70.) DParker - 06/25/2020

It's impressive how far battery technology has come (and will be even more so before long). Is that your phone mounted on the handlebars, or something else?

ETA: Never mind. I went back to your previous post and saw that the package you went with includes a GPS mount, which is what I'm now assuming that is.

ETA2: Never mind my previous never mind. After checking out the company's website I now see that it's not a GPS unit, but a bike information display (odometer, speedometer, battery charge level, etc.)

71.) crookedeye - 06/25/2020

nice ride.

72.) Swamp Fox - 06/27/2020

[QUOTE=Jon;61210]Got the bike, finally! Looks to be the ticket. Seems to drag my fat ass with only the motor at 20mph for as long as I want to sit.

[/QUOTE]

Nice. Keep us posted as you add accessories/modify stuff.

Do you still have the Natgear ATV? ... If I could get everything I own in Natgear, I would ... LOL

73.) crookedeye - 06/27/2020

look at that seat! theres no way Jons fat ass will we able to fit on that seat..plus you no the gears are going to strip out the first hill he takes,, lol

74.) crookedeye - 06/27/2020

its kinda like when bullzi got that tree saddle..you knew it wasnt going to work out

75.) crookedeye - 06/27/2020

bullzi was way to top heavy

76.) Swamp Fox - 06/27/2020

[QUOTE=crookedeye;61233]its kinda like when bullzi got that tree saddle..you knew it wasnt going to work out[/QUOTE]


LOL ...

77.) crookedeye - 06/27/2020

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78.) Swamp Fox - 06/28/2020

What we need now--- "in this moment" (:re:)--- is the pompatous of love ...



[QUOTE]Sorry ..... Sorry ... I got carried away ....
[/QUOTE]

79.) crookedeye - 06/28/2020

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80.) crookedeye - 06/28/2020

not a better song out camping in the summertime

81.) Swamp Fox - 06/28/2020

Let's take it to the Music Thread, 'cause I would challenge that statement ... LOL ... :wink

82.) crookedeye - 06/28/2020

if i see a hill, im going to climb it with my own 2 foots..electric bikes...what have we become?

83.) crookedeye - 06/28/2020

i would rather walk

84.) Swamp Fox - 06/29/2020

Pretty soon, you won't need binoculars anymore ...

The world is getting smaller.

85.) Jon - 06/30/2020

[QUOTE=crookedeye;61225]look at that seat! theres no way Jons fat ass will we able to fit on that seat..plus you no the gears are going to strip out the first hill he takes,, lol[/QUOTE]

He's right you know!
I had to buy a bigger seat, I'm a fat ass

Swampy, I sold the natgear 4wheeler and have a side by side now but i really want another 4wheeler, the sxs is far too big to get into the woods.

86.) Jon - 06/30/2020

[QUOTE=bluecat;61215]Jon, you know me better than that! I was joking.

Will that thing go up hills?[/QUOTE]

I know it'll climb bumps, we don't have hills where I live!
As far as mid hub vs rear hub, the mid hub machines are much better in the hills than rear hub. The rear hub machines can get you home if you break a chain however.
My son does a lot of mountain biking, I'm going to go join him and kill myself just to see if it's ok in the hills. I'll report back if able

87.) luv2bowhunt - 06/30/2020

Awesome wheels Jon!! How many miles to do you have on it yet? It is a totally different feeling riding an ebike compared to a standard bike. I love mine, don't know what I'd do without it anymore. I really like it for setting up and tearing down stands/ladder sticks. I can do without it just fine hunting if I feel like walking, but for hauling gear it is irreplaceable.

You'd be surprised how steep a grade you can go up without having to pedal.

88.) luv2bowhunt - 06/30/2020

I was too cheap to buy a new cart, I just made a way to attach my deer carrier to the bike rack.

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89.) Jon - 07/01/2020

I like to hear what guys are doing with theirs.
I have only 3 miles on mine so, I'll learn more as time goes on. Looking forward to using it to get to locations that others won't go because they are too lazy to walk that far.
have you pulled a deer out of the woods with that cart yet?
I hauled around a few bags of corn on mine to see what it felt like, seems to not bother the bike a bit.

90.) luv2bowhunt - 07/01/2020

I have not pulled a deer out yet. Should have the last 2 years, long sad stories. Anyway, pulled a couple grandkids around together, worked great. I think you will find using the peddle assist, it will pull darn near anything the cart can handle.

Last year I did pull 3 tree stands, 2 sets of ladder sticks, and a backpack full of cameras out on the cart together. It was 1 1/2 miles of steady uphill grade and I only had to peddle along at one spot.

I got to the gate where the logging road comes out to the main dirt road and a guy was parked there ready to walk in. He sees me go by with this giant load of gear and says "dayumm". LOL

91.) DParker - 07/01/2020

I want to see a pic of you pulling a bass boat using that hitch.

92.) crookedeye - 07/02/2020

I want to see Jon and luv2 have a good old fashion street race in there electric bikes. First man to cross the ribbon gets a bottle of tinks 69.

93.) Swamp Fox - 07/02/2020

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;61280]I have not pulled a deer out yet. Should have the last 2 years, long sad stories. Anyway, pulled a couple grandkids around together, worked great. I think you will find using the peddle assist, it will pull darn near anything the cart can handle.

Last year I did pull 3 tree stands, 2 sets of ladder sticks, and a backpack full of cameras out on the cart together. It was 1 1/2 miles of steady uphill grade and I only had to peddle along at one spot.

I got to the gate where the logging road comes out to the main dirt road and a guy was parked there ready to walk in. He sees me go by with this giant load of gear and says "dayumm". LOL[/QUOTE]


LOL ... :tu:


You get me ... I like sad stories, down through history ... Let's hear yours ... :wink

94.) Swamp Fox - 07/02/2020

[QUOTE=crookedeye;61282]I want to see Jon and luv2 have a good old fashion street race in there electric bikes. First man to cross the ribbon gets a bottle of tinks 69.[/QUOTE]


Luv2 and Jon meet CE out on the trail:

95.) Swamp Fox - 07/02/2020

Under $13,100 bare ...



Woo-hoo!

96.) bluecat - 07/02/2020

Are we allowed to post bare pictures? Can we say bare?

97.) bluecat - 07/02/2020

Those bikes are nice but how do they perform going through barbed wire fences?

98.) crookedeye - 07/05/2020

I bet luv 2 ant cracking jokes about Alex, doom and clum site no more..Alex is a genious..we should go over there and learn
Survival in big city's.

99.) crookedeye - 07/05/2020

and were is billy b at? HE NO'S im the best crappie fisherman in the midwestern states..

100.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2020

That's like saying you're the biggest shrimp in the Jumbo Shrimp contest ...

Let me take you fishing ... LOL


:wave:

101.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2020

[QUOTE=bluecat;61288]Those bikes are nice but how do they perform going through barbed wire fences?[/QUOTE]

Apparently my response [QUOTE]"Just like a deer or antelope" [/QUOTE]was censored by the Woke Police ...

102.) Swamp Fox - 07/06/2020

LOL ...


If you're not following the news, you won't believe me ... LOL

103.) luv2bowhunt - 07/07/2020

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;61283]LOL ... :tu:


You get me ... I like sad stories, down through history ... Let's hear yours ... :wink[/QUOTE]


2 years ago it was a deflection and a gut shot. Never did find the buck even though I spent the rest of the season and a good bit of the off season looking. Last year I just made a bad shot, the pin went low just as I shot. He was quartering away and from the evidence and how he reacted, I believe it was a low liver/1 lung hit.

Shot him at 7:00 AM on the last morning and the dog tracker and I called it quits at around 11:00 PM that night. It is really a long story and I doubt anyone else on here cares to hear it. Hell, I don't even want to relive it again.

Interesting note though, we did jump the buck after the dog circled him about 3 times. He was in the super thick overgrown clearcut, lots of mountain laurel, saplings, white pine, the stuff you can't walk through without getting all tangled up, laying in the middle of a pile of old logs. It was 9:00 PM, 14 hours after I hit him. We had liver blood and lung blood, bright pink with some bubbles, 50 yds from where I hit him, but even with the time we gave him, he had plenty of life in him to jump up in front of us and go over the top of the hill. The dog followed him from there 300 more yds according to OnX Maps, but it was so thick it was a 2 hour chore.

We both decided we could be following this buck all night so the tracker said come back a week later and look for buzzards. I went back many times but it is so thick you can hardly see 5 yds. I never found anything after that night.

The big take away for me was, don't believe everything you might read about how long a deer can live with a liver hit. This one had survived 14 hours and still had the strength to evade us.

....and I was super impressed with the ability of a tracking dog. Ain't no way I could have followed a buck in that stuff and find where he was laying, but the dog did. If you ever have a marginal shot, back off and call a dog tracker. No sense wasting time, polluting the area with deer scent from your feet.

104.) crookedeye - 07/07/2020

did i ever tell you guys abouit the story of tommy 2 toes?

105.) crookedeye - 07/07/2020

luv 2 what do you think about the covid? i think it effects older people..but to the majority of people its like a sore throat..what do you think

106.) crookedeye - 07/07/2020

i believe i did have it in janurary

107.) luv2bowhunt - 07/07/2020

[QUOTE=crookedeye;61328]luv 2 what do you think about the covid? i think it effects older people..but to the majority of people its like a sore throat..what do you think[/QUOTE]

I think it mostly effects out of shape website moderators.

108.) luv2bowhunt - 07/07/2020

[QUOTE=crookedeye;61299]I bet luv 2 ant cracking jokes about Alex, doom and clum site no more..Alex is a genious..we should go over there and learn
Survival in big city's.[/QUOTE]

That site was creepy. Making your own energy drink from urine and how to use chicken manure for explosives. Stuff about bunkers and making secret hideaways, alligator moats and booby traps.


I'm pretty sure Alex was/is the uni-bomber.

109.) Swamp Fox - 07/08/2020

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;61331]That site was creepy. Making your own energy drink from urine and how to use chicken manure for explosives. Stuff about bunkers and making secret hideaways, alligator moats and booby traps.


I'm pretty sure Alex was/is the uni-bomber.[/QUOTE]



LOL ....


+4

110.) Swamp Fox - 07/08/2020

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;61326]2 years ago it was a deflection and a gut shot. Never did find the buck even though I spent the rest of the season and a good bit of the off season looking. Last year I just made a bad shot, the pin went low just as I shot. He was quartering away and from the evidence and how he reacted, I believe it was a low liver/1 lung hit.

Shot him at 7:00 AM on the last morning and the dog tracker and I called it quits at around 11:00 PM that night. It is really a long story and I doubt anyone else on here cares to hear it. Hell, I don't even want to relive it again.

Interesting note though, we did jump the buck after the dog circled him about 3 times. He was in the super thick overgrown clearcut, lots of mountain laurel, saplings, white pine, the stuff you can't walk through without getting all tangled up, laying in the middle of a pile of old logs. It was 9:00 PM, 14 hours after I hit him. We had liver blood and lung blood, bright pink with some bubbles, 50 yds from where I hit him, but even with the time we gave him, he had plenty of life in him to jump up in front of us and go over the top of the hill. The dog followed him from there 300 more yds according to OnX Maps, but it was so thick it was a 2 hour chore.

We both decided we could be following this buck all night so the tracker said come back a week later and look for buzzards. I went back many times but it is so thick you can hardly see 5 yds. I never found anything after that night.

The big take away for me was, don't believe everything you might read about how long a deer can live with a liver hit. This one had survived 14 hours and still had the strength to evade us.

....and I was super impressed with the ability of a tracking dog. Ain't no way I could have followed a buck in that stuff and find where he was laying, but the dog did. If you ever have a marginal shot, back off and call a dog tracker. No sense wasting time, polluting the area with deer scent from your feet.[/QUOTE]

:tu:


How long after the shot before you put the dog on him?

111.) luv2bowhunt - 07/08/2020

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;61336]:tu:


How long after the shot before you put the dog on him?[/QUOTE]

I shot the buck around 7:00 AM and he stood about 50 yds away in the brush for about an hour. He never laid down, just had his tail flicking and his head hung down. From the time and reaction I knew it wasn't good, so after the buck finally moved off, heading into the thick clearcut, I got down and left. Never even went over to look for blood where he was standing for so long, I just found my arrow and left. It had what I'll call 'regular' colored red blood on it.

I went back in around 1:00 PM, 6 hours later, and found decent blood where he had been standing but the blood trail petered out at the logging road that parallels the thick clearcut. I knew he had crossed the logging road and went in there but couldn't see a blood trail. I decided then to try and get a dog tracker. I went home, spent an hour trying to find someone but they all were busy with other calls or didn't feel like helping. Finally called one last guy at 5:00 PM and he said he could help. I said can we do it tomorrow morning (Sunday) but he said no, he had to work in the morning, we needed to do it right away.

So I met up with him at the trail around 6:00 PM or so it was nice and dark by then. I was thinking it was going to be a real dog, bloodhound, black lab, something cool. It was a wired haired dachshund. In my mind I was thinking there's no way this little dog is going to make it in there or even be able to find a deer. It was a 1 1/2 mile walk back to where I had shot the deer, I think we started the tracking around 7:00 PM. The dog got on the track and followed the deer from the spot where he had been standing so long out to where I'd last seen him ready to cross the logging road. But each time we hit the logging road the dog wanted to walk up or down the road and not cross it. Probably was picking up the scent from my feet after my failed tracking attempt and me walking up and down the road looking for blood. So we'd start over from the beginning, and each time he would follow the buck perfectly out to where I had last seen him, so I knew he was on the right scent.

Finally I asked the tracker if he could force the dog to cross the logging road because I was sure the buck had done that. That's when the real tracking began, probably after 8:00 PM until we got the trail untangled and were making real headway.

I told you it is a long story. :wink

112.) Swamp Fox - 07/08/2020

I see the problem now: Dachshunds like to trail in the shade.



(Ref.: Old joke about Germans ... Don't make me explain it ... LOL )

113.) bluecat - 07/08/2020

My dog has no nos.

114.) Swamp Fox - 07/08/2020

LOL

See if you can add to the music thread ... My last post didn't catch my text and now it seems locked up for edits or replies...

I don't think Alex is some type of commie ...

"Change my mind ..."


:wink

115.) bluecat - 07/08/2020

You broke it. Can't see any way to respond to last music post. I did respond to previous music post but it's not showing.

I think it has to do with bits and bytes or something like that.

116.) bluecat - 07/08/2020

We might have to put up the bat light. Alex is probably wrangling chickens or something.

117.) Swamp Fox - 07/08/2020

Let's not hijack this thread. I will try to PM/post to Alex what I see on my side if others will please do the same.

118.) Swamp Fox - 07/08/2020

Let me see if I can't break this thread, too:


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119.) Swamp Fox - 07/08/2020

Let me see if I have the anti-Midas touch and can destroy this thread as well, though.

Remember that I mean well...

120.) Swamp Fox - 07/08/2020

[QUOTE=bluecat;61346]We might have to put up the bat light. Alex is probably c̶h̶o̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶ wrangling chickens or something.[/QUOTE]


Fixed it for you ...