1.) luv2bowhunt - 07/26/2016

Thought this place could use some deer study info to break up the political mumbo jumbo monotony. Maybe one of the 5 who read it might fine something useful.

I've always wondered if some of the deer I get pics of in late Summer vacate the area once Oct. comes. The article says this bucks behavior is rare, but I wonder....

This ongoing study is so interesting to me, if they were doing it in my immediate area I would be a tag along volunteer.



[url]http://ecosystems.psu.edu/research/projects/deer/news/2016/summer-homes-or-bachelor-pads[/url]

2.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

Remember to sign the guest book on your way out, and enter the deer contest so we'll be ready for your next visit. :wink


We accept all kinds of mumbo jumbo around here: political mumbo jumbo, deer hunting mumbo jumbo, turkey hunting mumbo jumbo, hog hunting mumbo jumbo, elk hunting mumbo jumbo, bear hunting mumbo jumbo, squirrel hunting mumbo jumbo, rabbit hunting mumbo jumbo, duck hunting mumbo jumbo, bird hunting mumbo jumbo, bow hunting mumbo jumbo, gun hunting mumbo jumbo, photography mumbo jumbo, fishing mumbo jumbo, firearms mumbo jumbo, joke mumbo jumbo, pun mumbo jumbo, poetry mumbo jumbo...








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3.) bluecat - 07/26/2016

fyi, horse puns, and eating relative's cremains goes to the top of the list.

4.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

I think some people might be trying to forget those two threads, LOL...But then not everyone appreciates good banjo picking, either. :-)



Let's not highjack the one thread Luv2 took a break from NPR and the Apple Cider Home Distillery Forum for...:wink




What's most interesting to me are the two jaunts in March and June. What possible explanation is there for that? My guess is that his eastern home range is less hospitable to does, which is why he's relegated there. His temporary "core area", if you want to call it that---the area to the northwest--might be where more does are, or where he's in less competition with a more dominant buck. But the wandering off in March and June? I have no clue why that would be.

5.) luv2bowhunt - 07/26/2016

My guess is a better mast crop in his 'Fall' core area. Interesting how he went back to the other area once he realized it was gun season. Without knowing, I'm guessing it has good escape cover. These studies are all being done on public land.

I have no idea why they decide to meander out of their home for a mile or two a couple times a year but a lot of them do that.


Sometimes this site is almost as interesting as watching Russian car crashes on Youtube. I'm lying, it never is.

6.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;42551]...
I have no idea why they decide to meander out of their home for a mile or two a couple times a year but a lot of them do that.


Sometimes this site is almost as interesting as watching Russian car crashes on Youtube. I'm lying, it never is.[/QUOTE]



I remember an odd trip out of a core area here and there from your posts, but was the timing anywhere close? And fairly common?


And maybe this site isn't interesting because interesting characters such as your own bad self hardly ever bother join us thumb-suckers for some meaningful banter...LOL

7.) luv2bowhunt - 07/26/2016

On a semi-almost related note. I received some pics from a friend of a friend who was trying to kill the buck I shot last year. He had summertime photos of him from about a mile away. He was kind enough to make sure I got them.

I was just lucky to be sitting in a near perfect funnel area I had found a couple years ago and was waiting for the right time to hunt it. I only saw this buck alive for a few minutes so it was pretty cool to look at the pictures.


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8.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

That's really cool. It's good to know you Pennsylvania boys can get along sometimes...LOL

He's even bigger in those pics than what I remember you posting. Truly awesome.

Have you gotten your mount back yet?

9.) luv2bowhunt - 07/26/2016

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;42558]Have you gotten your mount back yet?[/QUOTE]

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10.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

Okay, I remember that now. I like the ML and powder horn on the wall, too.

Also, I have almost the exact same stash bowl at my house. LOL

11.) luv2bowhunt - 07/26/2016

In that bowl are a collection of Civil War bullets, G-Burg and Fredericksburg.

12.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

:tu:

Did you find them yourself?

OKY sent me some ball and bullet fragments from Quantrill's time in Kentucky.

I never find anything on my own...But like Crookedeye with his metal detector, looking for Custer's hat, I keep trying.


[url]http://www.legendsofamerica.com/mo-quantrill.html[/url]

[url]http://www.legendsofamerica.com/mo-quantrill-petersen.html[/url]

13.) bluecat - 07/26/2016

He burned my hometown to the ground. Thanks buddy.

14.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

I was thinking about you as I posted that. :pop:

15.) bluecat - 07/26/2016

Actually there was only one building that survived - the bottom half, as the top half was burned. My mom owns it.

16.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

Really! That's cool. Post a pic some time or a history link.

17.) bluecat - 07/26/2016

I will do that.

18.) bluecat - 07/26/2016

I believe it is on the historical register. She worked so hard to make that happen. She had to prove that it was the only surviving building.

19.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

I'd be interested in learning more about that. :tu:
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20.) luv2bowhunt - 07/26/2016

See that's just it. You burn a couple of towns down and everybody wants to jump to conclusions about your character. It's total BS.

21.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

LOL...

Not to hijack the thread any further ( :p), but here's an honest question, while we're on the subject: What do you think the articles would look like if the first author above were writing about Sheridan and Sherman instead of Quantrill?

I'm guessing a different tone, if not a cherry-picked narrative, LOL.

22.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

History mumbo jumbo...


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23.) bluecat - 07/26/2016

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;42570]See that's just it. You burn a couple of towns down and everybody wants to jump to conclusions about your character. It's total BS.[/QUOTE]

You talking about BLM?

24.) Swamp Fox - 07/26/2016

Here are a couple of articles on home range and day/night travel to sleep on overnight.

See you outlaws tomorrow, maybe. :wave:


[url]https://www.qdma.com/articles/new-data-on-buck-home-range-size-by-age[/url]

[url]https://www.qdma.com/articles/gps-reveals-early-season-buck-movement-patterns[/url]

25.) Hunter - 07/26/2016

We watch same bucks every year show up at the usual protein feeders then move later to their normal ranges as the rut kicks in. Bigger bucks especially are pretty predictable. If I am looking to get a pic of a certain buck right now I pretty much know which feeder to place the camera. I am always fascinated by this. Also have two bucks that run together every summer then go their separate ways during season. Next spring they will be back together.
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26.) Jon - 07/27/2016

Gorgeous buck Luv2.
I love seeing those deer studies but I wish they'd collar several and track them together to see if the odd behavior of one is similar to all.
There are just too many things that could make a buck move away from a "home area" like: construction, hunters walking around, kids playing, heroin users, hookers, gang bangers shooting guns, you know, the usual stuff.
I'd be lying if I meant it but good seeing you Luv2

27.) luv2bowhunt - 07/27/2016

[QUOTE=Jon;42594]I love seeing those deer studies but I wish they'd collar several and track them together to see if the odd behavior of one is similar to all.[/QUOTE]

They have a bunch radio collared on 2 different State Forests. I wish I knew how many they monitor but it is quite a few. The researchers say that most of the bucks they are/have monitored do not behave like the buck in the article did, having 2 different core areas, miles apart.

But I'm not so sure that it is that rare. When you have agricultural areas within a mile or two of the big woods areas, I'll bet there are several that act like the one in the QDMA study Swampy posted.

I get lots of pics each Summer of some real bruisers and come Oct. I can't find them. Even with multiple cameras spread out over a couple hundred acres I can't find them. They must move off to a completely different area in the Fall.

Jon you and I are 'friends' on LinkedIn, whatever the hell that is. I'm in it and have no idea what it's for or about. So, we are really pretty tight.


Chris - Sherman had every right to burn your homes down, you bunch of hillbilly inbreeding rebel communist bastards.:wave:

28.) Swamp Fox - 07/27/2016

:bad:

:p

29.) bluecat - 07/27/2016

You noticed he didn't say anything about Quantrill. Has Luv2's heart grown two sizes?

30.) Swamp Fox - 07/27/2016

The longer I do this, the more I believe that "stay with the does" is semi-bad advice for someone hunting a better-than-average or even a representative buck for the area.

Obviously it has its benefits, but it means you're sitting on areas for long stretches of the season that may not provide buck sightings, much less be near buck bedding areas.

I'm actually trying to scrub it from my brain, but it is a hard habit to break.

If someone could come up with a way to get out of a buck bedding area undetected in mid-morning and then back in late in the afternoon, that would be great. :tap:

It's either that, sit all day, or hunt nocturnal bucks in easier locations, outside what seems to me to be about a four-week window, when your opening is widest. And two weeks of those four don't have the same potential as the others.

31.) luv2bowhunt - 07/27/2016

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;42602]The longer I do this, the more I believe that "stay with the does" is semi-bad advice for someone hunting a better-than-average or even a representative buck for the area....It's either that, sit all day, or hunt nocturnal bucks in easier locations, outside what seems to me to be about a four-week window, when your opening is widest. And two weeks of those four don't have the same potential as the others.[/QUOTE]

I am learning more and more, that if you don't have a mature buck patterned in the early season (very, very rare on public land), you're basically just killing time hunting. I have decided this year in early Oct. to hunt in areas I want to explore, do yard work or something constructive, instead of sitting in my best spots seeing nothing but a doe and a fawn and educating all deer to my presence at the stand location.

You have a 2 week window of a decent chance at a mature buck. The only 3 1/2 yr old buck I killed early season was a reject that was an easy pattern. I was getting pics of him every morning walking around between 7:00-9:00 AM. Saw him the first Sat. I hunted and killed him the second Sat. at 7:15 AM.

But that is so rare here. Mature bucks seem to be loners that stay hidden and then show up right before the does are in heat.

32.) Swamp Fox - 07/27/2016

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;42609].. I have decided this year in early Oct. to hunt in areas I want to explore, do yard work or something constructive, instead of sitting in my best spots seeing nothing but a doe and a fawn and educating all deer to my presence at the stand location...

[/QUOTE]


That sounds like an excellent plan. For myself, I've long thought I need to fish more in October, anyway.

I screwed up something in my foot a while back and it's kept me out of the woods for two months. That means I'm behind on my prep despite my almost-best efforts to get ahead of it this year. I think it might make sense to catch up when the weather cools off a little instead of hunting, and save my "real" hunting time for later in the season.

33.) Jon - 07/28/2016

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;42595]

Jon you and I are 'friends' on LinkedIn, whatever the hell that is. I'm in it and have no idea what it's for or about. So, we are really pretty tight.

:wave:[/QUOTE]

Yea, we're tight alright Luv

34.) DropzOfWild - 08/01/2016

Great info! Thanks for the extra add ins.....
I have been a die hard and strictly bow hunter since my departure from the good ol usmc in 98, I relied upon a lot of old timer hear say and hunting shows to gain most of my knowledge on how to grow and harvest mature whitetails. I have witnessed the same issues where nice bucks disappear right before season and then show back up the following spring early summer and personally witnessed a buck 4-1/2 away from the normal spring to season home. Numerous shows show where a hunter has taken a mature deer that "they never seen or know where he come from" I'm sure none of this is new to you all and you probably watch the same stuff. I have done the same as many by wasting time in same stand locations and educating the regular doe and fawn population however there's always that "it's got to happen here because it's a great spot" thought. The last two years I have focused on "going after" early season and "semi go after, call & decoy" during rut with known funnels and doe hang outs. It's paid off tremendously but still fell into the favorite spot! this year we hung stands already and they are all different from previous years...... closer to the bedroom so hopefully this year I can smack him before he leaves for the winter. Sad part is that with the summer and winter homes I can't make it the winter location so I try to rely and pray my mock scrapes during the rut will have him chk in during daylight hours. however unlike the info from the links my 2-3 year old deer (bucks) change as season gets deeper into the rut and I will see my same yearlings all season long and eventually they'll head off to a start say different new core home ground. I can't honestly say that I have had a buck take off at 2 and come back at 5 like some of the professionals with the huge properties. my two main spots are a 65 acre & 80 acre track that are 30-40 minutes apart and with the lay of the tracks and the land I believe I have found the ultimate rut travel corridor on one of the tracks and 2 years running have had great observations of different cruising bucks on the exact same path. In a nutshell I still haven't figured out how to get the targeted buck from mid summer before he leaves but will trade that any day for the how to get that other guy trespassing looking for my local ladies as I have for the last two years.....this rambling probably does nothing for any of you but I sure feel like I offered something important lol