1.) Bob Peck - 11/24/2015

From the police chief of Washington, D.C Cathy Lanier who was recently on 60 Minutes:

[url]http://bearingarms.com/dc-police-chief-best-option-surviving-terror-attack-guns-deny/[/url]

Confronted with the rash of school and workplace “soft-target” shooting scenarios that now include possible terrorist acts like those in Paris, police departments are no longer preaching the passive approach of calling 911. Active shooters like the terrorists in Paris call for more active responses, including running away, hiding or actually attacking the attacker, says Washington D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier. Anderson Cooper reports on the new advice departments are giving civilians, and the new ways they are training their officers to respond to these active shooters on the next edition of 60 Minutes on Sunday, Nov. 22 at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

“Your options are run, hide, or fight,” says Lanier. “If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there,” she tells Cooper.

In recent years, mentally ill gunmen and now terrorists have killed victims indiscriminately, their aim to kill as many as possible, rather than taking hostages. These events call for more active approaches, she says. “That’s kind of counterintuitive to what cops always tell people, right? We always tell people, ‘Don’t…don’t take action. Call 911. Don’t intervene in the robbery’…we’ve never told people, ‘Take action.’ It’s a different…scenario.”

2.) Swamp Fox - 11/24/2015

Interesting, because I just saw this last night:


[SIZE=2][I][B]Majority of D.C. residents want to reinstitute the gun ban
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[/SIZE][I]The end of September was a grim milestone for Washington D.C., as the city reached 120 homicides, the most our nation’s capital has experienced since 2010, according to WUSA9. In August, D.C. [B]Police Chief Cathy Lanier blamed the spike in crime to an influx of illegal firearms with so-called high-capacity magazines. The problem is that Fox5DC’s Emily Miller noted that magazine capacity isn’t listed on the police form law enforcement fill out upon recovering firearms at a crime scene. In other words, DC police have no way to knowing that this is the problem, let alone tracking these weapons.[/B]

Nevertheless, the spike in crime seems to be impacting public perception since 51 percent of D.C. residents want to bring back the unconstitutional ban on firearms (via WaPo).
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[Emphasis mine.]



WP Link: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/half-of-dc-residents-want-a-return-to-citywide-gun-ban-poll-finds/2015/11/18/6956e7e8-8e1d-11e5-ae1f-af46b7df8483_story.html?postshare=4251448040310851&tid=ss_tw[/url]


Entire news item at: [url]http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/23/majority-of-dc-residents-want-to-reinstitute-the-gun-ban/[/url]




Bunch of rocket scientists up there, it seems like.

3.) bluecat - 11/24/2015

Can't we all just get along?


Swampy, I'm getting dizzy watching your avatar. But it just keeps getting funnier.

4.) DParker - 11/24/2015

[QUOTE=Bob Peck;36533]“If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there,” she tells Cooper.[/QUOTE]


"Of course we've done everything in our power, and some things beyond our authority, to ensure that you're never equipped to be able to do that effectively....sooo....yeah."

5.) bluecat - 11/24/2015

[QUOTE=DParker;36537]"Of course we've done everything in our power, and some things beyond our authority, to ensure that you're never equipped to be able to do that effectively....sooo....yeah."[/QUOTE]

Nice one. :-)

6.) Swamp Fox - 11/24/2015

[QUOTE=bluecat;36536]Can't we all just get along?


Swampy, I'm getting dizzy watching your avatar. But it just keeps getting funnier.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, you know, by about 9 this morning, after it had been up for less than 2 hours, I was thinking about taking it down myself, :bang: LOL...But as annoying as it is, I just kept laughing every time I saw it...So, Kudos to whoever put that together, LOL...

7.) Bob Peck - 11/25/2015

[SIZE=4][FONT=Arial Narrow]Have a listen[/FONT][/SIZE]

8.) Swamp Fox - 11/25/2015

As much as I'd like to like Bratton, he often says and does some incredibly stupid things.

He made a comment the other day that struck me---I can't be sure it concerned gun control--and that drove the point home to me again. If I remember what it was, I may come back to post it.

I think there is something of a push in DC toward moving from "may issue" to "shall issue" WRT CC permits, but I'm not sure it will go anywhere any time soon. As of right now, it appears almost as impossible to get a permit in DC as in NYC. And both locations REALLY need to get with reciprocity and even with transport laws. There is no good excuse for the way they treat non-residents.

9.) DParker - 11/25/2015

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;36549]As much as I'd like to like Bratton, he often says and does some incredibly stupid things.[/QUOTE]

Yeah...like his comment here about being outgunned by an active shooter with an AK-47 being "the reality". Well, no. The reality is that...

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[*]Statistically speaking, very, very few active shooter situations involve someone with a semi-automatic rifle.

[*]Even in those cases where the shooter IS armed with such a weapon, the assumption that things will play out like two individuals squaring off against each other on Main Street at high noon is ridiculous. These shootings typically involve one perpetrator and a whole bunch of other people, the armed status of which is unknown to the perp. One or more armed civilians may well be in positions not readily visible to the shooter, or at least in one or more directions that he is not paying attention to. This gives the defensive shooter(s) an enormous advantage, provided one of them has a shot at the perp. Even more so if the defender(s) has/have concealment/cover, and the perp is in the open (which they almost always are).

[*]Psychotic shooters tend to not exactly be Navy Seals/Army snipers in terms of their weapons training and shooting abilities. Let me just remind Bratton what one patrol cop (not generally snipers either) with only his duty sidearm, and not even the element of surprise on his side was able to do against two would-be jihadists who had AKs and body armor: [url]http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20150503-breaking-gunfire-reported-at-anti-islam-event-at-garland-isd-facility.ece[/url]

[*]Even in the event that the shooter is equipped with an ultra-evil AR-47 and all the high-capacity military banana clips he can carry, would you really like his odds against a half-dozen or so civilians carrying concealed handguns?
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10.) Swamp Fox - 11/25/2015

[QUOTE=DParker;36555]Yeah...like his comment here about being outgunned by an active shooter with an AK-47 being "the reality". Well, no. The reality is that...

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That's exactly the comment I was thinking of! :clap:



My immediate thought when I heard that was "Yeah, and the guy without the handgun is REALLY friggin' outgunned...."




I hope Gun Nut Twitter got on him about that, LOL.

11.) Bob Peck - 11/25/2015

[QUOTE=DParker;36555]Psychotic shooters tend to not exactly be Navy Seals/Army snipers in terms of their weapons training and shooting abilities. [/QUOTE]

:laugh: Nearly spit out my coffee on that one!

Is it just me or has the gun control hoopla fallen off the media radar? I mean, are they still out there shouting for more gun control as things worldwide ratchet up? This active shooter stuff has been our "new" reality for some time now and the cycle seemed predictable.

Violent Act=Knickers in a Twist for Gun Control=Same Tired Arguments from Both Sides Get Carted Out=Nobody Does Much of Anything=Next Violent Act

For me, my CCW my wallet and my house keys are always with me.

12.) Swamp Fox - 11/25/2015

I'm afraid it's still with us. See the push to prevent gun purchases by those on government watch lists. Schumer and Reid etc. are all over it. Major media pushing it.

13.) Bob Peck - 11/25/2015

Chris, I've been meaning to ask you for some time now:

1. Is the insurance business slow or are you that rich? Maybe both?

2. Are you actually also BlueCat, Luv2, DParker, Jon, Deerminator, Wild Bob, Toxophilite, AlbertaBowhunter, Billyb, Deerslayer88, TritonRich, Hunter, CrookedEye, OHbuckhunter, grandpawrichard and anyone else I forgot to mention? Maybe you're not Chris at all. Maybe you've been the long lost Alex all this time?

At any given time there's only 3-5 "members" and 17-20+ "guests" online and I'm figuring you must be aliasing everyone except me. :fire:

14.) DParker - 11/25/2015

Actually, I'm really you, Bob.

That oughtta' make you give up drinking...or take it up, one of the two.

15.) Bob Peck - 11/25/2015

[QUOTE=DParker;36566]Actually, I'm really you, Bob. That oughtta' make you give up drinking...or take it up, one of the two.[/QUOTE] Stone cold sober so cut it out Chris.

16.) Swamp Fox - 11/25/2015

Somebody has to get stuff done around here!


And I've been seen in the same place with Jon, Billyb, Hunter and OHBH so I can say with almost-certainty that I am not them. :wink As for further speculation, it's up for grabs!


I do all this for a pinkie toe. :wink

17.) Bob Peck - 11/25/2015

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;36568]I do all this for a pinkie toe. :wink [/QUOTE]
Didn't know that. Alex usually pays big money for high quality content.

18.) Swamp Fox - 11/25/2015

Maybe he's sticking to his principles...That could be a problem for me in future negotiations. LOL...