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1.) DParker - 10/20/2015
Having mastered (or at least become marginally competent at) the care and feeding of my rehabilitated skillet I'm looking to expand my cast iron repertoire and step up my game with a good dutch oven. My planned primary uses for it, at least initially, will be for soups and stews (pronounced "gumbo" and "chili", respectively), but as I learn how to use the thing I will likely branch out to other stuff. I [i]might[/i] take it camping at some point, but even if I do it will be at a camp site with the truck nearby. So weight isn't a concern, as I won't be schlepping it a mile or three into the backwoods.

My primary concern (unless someone enlightens me as to something more important I should be considering) is capacity. I like to make things in volume, so from that perspective bigger is better. On the other hand, this thing will be stored in the kitchen cabinet below the stove, which is already somewhat overpopulated, and will need to be cleaned out and purged of at least one or two rarely used items in order to make room for a new piece of cookware. So from a storage point of view, compactness is desirable. So...a balance must be struck.

At the moment I have my eye on this [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Lodge-L10DOL3-Pre-Seasoned-Handles-7-Quart/dp/B000SOM5XS"]Lodge 7 qt model[/URL]...



...which seems like a good balance between capacity and cabinet storage space, and the price seems like a good one. I had originally considered one of the camp versions, like this 8 qt beauty:



But given that it will be seeing primarily kitchen duty, and any camping use would likely involve a pit with a metal grate over the top, the legs seem like more of a hindrance than a help in my case. So, what else should I be looking for/considering?
2.) bluecat - 10/20/2015
They are pretty awesome for beans, stews and braising anything as they can be put in the oven. The flat top allows for coals to be placed on the lid. Lodge also makes them now where they are preseasoned by some chemical process. They look impervious. Tell us how your chili recipe with beans turns out. :wink

I have one like the one you are looking at. Inside the lid there are little iron stalagtites. I recently found out that is so when they drip they drip evenly while cooking.


My biggest beef with these things is that we have a glass cooktop and they always leave a ring of carbon and I always am the one with the scrubber trying to get it off the cooktop. There is just no getting around that and we just continue to cook with our cast-iron.
3.) Wild Bob - 10/20/2015
I have one like the first one you pictured. If you are going to use it in the kitchen, I'd definitely go with that model as the legs keep the unit above the burner on a stove and you don't get good heat transfer if you start anything on a burner then move it into the stove.

Also, I've used mine like that on a camp fire and it does fine, the only down side is you need to keep a rag handy and wipe the lip around the lid before you open it to limit the coals/ashes getting into what you are cooking. (Hence, that's why the second one you pictured has the different style lid, because its better suited to cooking in a pit or on a camp fire (also the feet serve to help in an open fire).

I use mine all the time; just stay away from tomatoes based recipes (iron doesn't like the acidity of tomatoes). I often start dishes on the stove top, and then transfer into the oven to finish cooking.
4.) DParker - 10/20/2015
[QUOTE=bluecat;35513]Tell us how your chili recipe with beans turns out. :wink[/quote]

:tap:

[QUOTE=bluecat;35513]I have one like the one you are looking at. Inside the lid there are little iron stalagtites. I recently found out that is so when they drip they drip evenly while cooking.[/quote]

That sounds like a handy feature.

[QUOTE=bluecat;35513]My biggest beef with these things is that we have a glass cooktop and they always leave a ring of carbon and I always am the one with the scrubber trying to get it off the cooktop. There is just no getting around that and we just continue to cook with our cast-iron.[/QUOTE]

I'm a dinosaur who insists on having a gas stove top, so that won't be a problem.

[QUOTE=Wild Bob;35514]I have one like the first one you pictured. If you are going to use it in the kitchen, I'd definitely go with that model as the legs keep the unit above the burner on a stove and you don't get good heat transfer if you start anything on a burner then move it into the stove.[/quote] That's kind of what I figured....plus I imagine that the legs would be a pain when trying to get them situated in between the rungs of the oven rack.

[QUOTE=Wild Bob;35514]Also, I've used mine like that on a camp fire and it does fine, the only down side is you need to keep a rag handy and wipe the lip around the lid before you open it to limit the coals/ashes getting into what you are cooking. (Hence, that's why the second one you pictured has the different style lid, because its better suited to cooking in a pit or on a camp fire (also the feet serve to help in an open fire).[/quote]

That's a good point. I probably would have neglected that first time out and ended up with soot stew.

[QUOTE=Wild Bob;35514]I often start dishes on the stove top, and then transfer into the oven to finish cooking.[/QUOTE]

My first thought was using it the other way around, in that it's the ideal one-container solution for making gumbo and other roux-based dishes. Make the roux right in the pot using the oven method, then transfer to the stove for the remainder of the recipe...as opposed to having to use my skillet, and then transferring the finished roux to a stock pot and having to clean two pieces of cookware instead of one. That really appeals to my lazy side. :wink
5.) bluecat - 10/20/2015
Perfect for jambalaya and gumbo.
6.) Wild Bob - 10/20/2015
As a matter of fact, here is a picture of some Swedish Meatballs I made a couple of weeks ago. This is a great dish to make in the Dutch oven since you can brown the meatballs on the oven, then finish the gravy and meatballs in the oven.

[URL=http://s763.photobucket.com/user/WildBob_2009/media/20151004_164800_zpsiy4upuyd.jpg.html][/URL]
7.) Wild Bob - 10/20/2015
"My first thought was using it the other way around, in that it's the ideal one-container solution for making gumbo and other roux-based dishes. Make the roux right in the pot using the oven method, then transfer to the stove for the remainder of the recipe...as opposed to having to use my skillet, and then transferring the finished roux to a stock pot and having to clean two pieces of cookware instead of one. That really appeals to my lazy side. "

- Good point, it can work either way...I guess it just depends on the recipe your making.
8.) DParker - 10/20/2015
My only gripe is that they should have called it something like "Big Ol' Heavy Dutch Pot" instead. It gets confusing talking about putting the "oven" in the "oven".

And...those look much better than "Schwetty" balls.
9.) bluecat - 10/20/2015
[QUOTE=DParker;35519]

And...those look much better than "Schwetty" balls.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/schweddy-balls-with-alec-intro/n12543[/url]
10.) Wild Bob - 10/20/2015
:laugh:

(They are!)
11.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
I have a few Dutch ovens for camping, all with the feet and the lids designed for coals. I haven't invested in one for the stove, but if I did, I would probably get an [B]enameled[/B] one (flat bottom) because those are designed for the acidic foods Wild Bob mentioned. Tomato-based things are what jump to mind, and I've tried my best to avoid those on my camping menu, but it's caused some stress when I really, really want to cook one thing or another with coals. They say that a really well-seasoned DO can take the acid, but I don't know what qualifies as really well-seasoned, except that I guess it's a DO you've used a lot and have taken really good care of and re-seasoned obsessively yourself, LOL


With you cooking as much chili and gumbo as you do, you might consider that. Plus, I imagine the enameled version is easier to clean and you don't have to be quite as careful how you store it (no rust issues). As an added bonus, the way I remember it, the enameled version is slightly bigger than the cast iron (but less than 8 quarts...maybe 7.5?) This helps with the bigger batches of whatever, or when you're dealing with chunks of meat (chicken or venison on the bone, let's say, for a bog or pot roast).

The downside? Enameled dutch ovens (at least the ones that I've seen) don't have the heft and the rugged look that men admire and women want to be with....LOL
12.) DParker - 10/20/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;35523]I have a few Dutch ovens for camping, all with the feet and the lids designed for coals. I haven't invested in one for the stove, but if I did, I would probably get an [B]enameled[/B] one (flat bottom) because those are designed for the acidic foods Wild Bob mentioned. Tomato-based things are what jump to mind, and I've tried my best to avoid those on my camping menu, but it's caused some stress when I really, really want to cook one thing or another with coals. They say that a really well-seasoned DO can take the acid, but I don't know what qualifies as really well-seasoned, except that I guess it's a DO you've used a lot and have taken really good care of and re-seasoned obsessively yourself, LOL


With you cooking as much chili and gumbo as you do, you might consider that.[/quote]

I've read similar things, from both aficionados and manufacturers alike, about the issue of using tomato and other acidic ingredients in cast iron being valid to a point...but also a little over-blown. I don't use tomato in my gumbo (a contentious issue among gumbo chefs), and all I put in the chili is a small amount of tomato paste. Based on what I've read I suspect that tiny amount wouldn't be a problem, especially if I waited on making chili until after I'd cooked a few other things and built up a good seasoning first. And even though the Lodge allegedly comes pre-seasoned at the factory, my plan would be to recondition it myself anyway, so I know exactly what I have. What I did with the skillet worked really well, so I imagine I should be able to replicate it with one of these things.

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;35523]The downside? Enameled dutch ovens (at least the ones that I've seen) don't have the heft and the rugged look that men admire and women want to be with....LOL[/QUOTE]

THAT's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Using enamel (or anything else for that matter) to cover up the culinary manliness that is cast iron just seems so NYT "Modern Man" to me. I bet Mike Rowe would never use enameled cast iron.

[URL="https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/posts/1071145119562297"]https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/posts/1071145119562297[/URL]
13.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
LOL...I started on a response to that [I]NY Times[/I] article to publish here, but with just the five of us sitting around, I punted after addressing just a few of the more bone-jarring points. This is no way to spend my creative energy, I'm sad to say, LOL.

Oh, well...I never built up a massive audience with my blog, either. Actually, I never figured out how to get a blog started...because I was trying to do it myself and that is WAAAY out of my area of competency, LOL. I need to find someone to do all that nonsense for me. :bang:
14.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
By the way, the one "response" (point-by-point rebuttal) to the NY Times article that I saw published (prior to skimming your link) was almost as bad as the original. Completely missed the essence of us paleos, though it was at least a baby step in the right direction.


I really have no idea whom the fey person is that the [I]NYT[/I] thought it was addressing, and I considered that the whole thing might be a satire on top of a parody...but that seems unlikely. It's the [I]NY Times[/I], after all.

When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras...:wink
15.) DParker - 10/20/2015
Yeah, as soon as I saw that the very first words of the very first tip were...

[quote]When the modern man buys shoes for his spouse...[/quote]

...I stopped and had a major "WTF?!!! Was I redirected to [i]The Onion[/i] or something?" moment.

That's like saying, "When Iranian ayatollahs celebrate Yom Kippur...."
16.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
Just for the heck of it, here's what I had cooking for that little bit:



The first paragraph is the original NYT item, the second is somebody's published response (I can provide a link if prompted), and the third is my own reply:

[I] NYT:
1. When the modern man buys shoes for his spouse, he doesn’t have to ask her sister for the size. And he knows which brands run big or small.

Published Response:

False. Under no circumstances does the modern man ever attempt to buy his wife or girlfriend shoes. Ever. The modern man would be better off lighting a hundred-dollar bill on fire and stamping it to ashes in the street. Never in recorded human history has a man successfully bought his lady a pair of shoes. It’s a proven scientific fact. Give her the money and back away slowly.

Swampy sez:

Incomplete and inadequate. The only shoes the modern real man buys for his wife or girlfriend are hunting boots or a pair of waders. Far from burning his money, this is an excellent investment. The real man will be greatly rewarded. Of course, investment fundamentals still apply: he must start with the right woman. On a side note, the modern real man is too busy hanging treestands and trying to find a reliable 3-inch barreled .45 ACP to memorize his girl's shoe size. She knows it, so there's no need for him to know it, too. That would be redundant.[/I]
17.) DParker - 10/20/2015
Excellent point. The only addition I would offer is that he's really only just paying for the boots. She's still going to need to try them on and weigh potentially more attractive options.

When I first read the piece I recited item #1 to my wife, and asked her, "Hypothetically speaking...would you even wear shoes that I would be likely to pick out for you?" Her response was essentially, "Uh...[i]hell[/i] no."
18.) DParker - 10/20/2015
[QUOTE=Wild Bob;35517]As a matter of fact, here is a picture of some Swedish Meatballs I made a couple of weeks ago.[/QUOTE]

BTW...I wanted to thank you for not making the British version....



[URL="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/11/01/man-banned-from-facebook-for-declaring-his-love-for-pork-faggots/"]http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/11/01/man-banned-from-facebook-for-declaring-his-love-for-pork-faggots/[/URL]
19.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
LOL... This is true. However, years ago, I was able to stumble upon the one exception in the galaxy: The girl I let get away was happy with the pair of boots I gave her right out of the box, which is how I know she was "the girl I let get away." :wink


[Sigh]


Is it too early for me to quit for the day and go find some alcohol? LOL
20.) bluecat - 10/20/2015
Would those be considered bangers?
21.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
It's a good thing I don't meet many social justice warriors in person...LOL
22.) DParker - 10/20/2015
[QUOTE=bluecat;35538]Would those be considered bangers?[/QUOTE]

Whatever they are, you'll have to finish them all to get any dessert.



[I]"If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!"[/I]
~ Pink Floyd
23.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
LOL...I see you went there...


:-)
24.) Wild Bob - 10/20/2015
[QUOTE=DParker;35536]BTW...I wanted to thank you for not making the British version....



[URL="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/11/01/man-banned-from-facebook-for-declaring-his-love-for-pork-faggots/"]http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/11/01/man-banned-from-facebook-for-declaring-his-love-for-pork-faggots/[/URL][/QUOTE]

Please tell me the good ole' Brits didn't go and bastardize meatballs too... Why, just why would you do that???
(I thought that is what they called smokes over there anyway?)
25.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
[I]Cheap Laughs[/I]

by Swamp Fox


[I]Social justice is often amusing.

There's not much of their brains they are using.

Add the internet in

And it's a big win.

For a giggle or two, who needs boozing?


[/I]
26.) bluecat - 10/20/2015
[QUOTE=DParker;35540]Whatever they are, you'll have to finish them all to get any dessert.



[I]"If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!"[/I]
~ Pink Floyd[/QUOTE]

That is so wrong. :-)
27.) bluecat - 10/20/2015


Looks like we googled the same place DP. LOL!
28.) bluecat - 10/20/2015


Boy that looks fun.
29.) DParker - 10/20/2015
[QUOTE=bluecat;35545]

Looks like we googled the same place DP. LOL![/QUOTE]

"Thaaaaanks for the mammaries....."

~ Bob Hope

[QUOTE=bluecat;35546]

Boy that looks fun.[/QUOTE]

Don't knock it. That's what lead to the invention of Scotch.
30.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
I'm working on a poem right now, but I haven't figured out a way to clean it up sufficiently...LOL


Also, I'm not sure how many of you know what spoon bread is...:wink
31.) bluecat - 10/20/2015
Swampy, you seem to be channeling some of the great poets and writers lately.
32.) Swamp Fox - 10/20/2015
I'm toying with the idea of communicating only in limericks on here...


I'm thinking maybe that will boost the membership, LOL
33.) DParker - 10/20/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;35550]I'm toying with the idea of communicating only in limericks on here...


I'm thinking maybe that will boost the membership, LOL[/QUOTE]

Better yet, try it at the local watering hole. I'm thinking it'll either get you a date....or beat up. So you've got a 50-50 shot at a favorable outcome.
34.) Swamp Fox - 10/21/2015
LOL...


[I]What Women Want[/I]

by Swamp Fox


[I]Some girls that I meet have a ring on,

And others only want men with some bling on.

Except for my hat

I'm nothing like that.

Would it help if I could speak Klingon?


[/I]
35.) Wild Bob - 10/21/2015
I'm betting on beat up...you shouldn't encourage him to throw caution to wind with such abandon Parker, you dog. :-) :grin: