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1.) crookedeye - 05/17/2015
what do they mean by 9mm boots ?or 4mm even 8mm...I no it has something to do about insulation..does a 9mm compare to a 1500 grams of insulation and so forth and so on...
this is actually youre guys time to shine with an actual somewhat type of hunting question..:grin:
this is actually youre guys time to shine with an actual somewhat type of hunting question..:grin:
2.) crookedeye - 05/17/2015
I was going to ask this question over at archerytalk..but I thought i'd give you guys first crack at it..
3.) Triton Rich - 05/17/2015
[B]This is the best that my friend Google and I could come up with...
[/B]Boots: I was wondering how Neoprene compares to Thinsulate. So I emailed LaCrosse Footwear/Danner Boots & Muck Boots.
Per LaCrosse Footwear/Danner Boots: 3.5mm of Neoprene = 300-400g Thinsulate; 7.0mm of Neoprene = 700-800g Thinsulate.
According to Muck Boots Artic Pro boot is comparable to 1,000 grams of Thinsulate. The Artic Pro has a fleece lining, 8mm CR flex-foam bootie with a 2mm thermal foam underlay add to the instep. So I’m guessing that according to them 10mm Neoprene is equivalent to 1,000 grams Thinsulate.
The above info would translate to approximately 1mm of Neoprene equaling 100g Thinsulate.
[/B]Boots: I was wondering how Neoprene compares to Thinsulate. So I emailed LaCrosse Footwear/Danner Boots & Muck Boots.
Per LaCrosse Footwear/Danner Boots: 3.5mm of Neoprene = 300-400g Thinsulate; 7.0mm of Neoprene = 700-800g Thinsulate.
According to Muck Boots Artic Pro boot is comparable to 1,000 grams of Thinsulate. The Artic Pro has a fleece lining, 8mm CR flex-foam bootie with a 2mm thermal foam underlay add to the instep. So I’m guessing that according to them 10mm Neoprene is equivalent to 1,000 grams Thinsulate.
The above info would translate to approximately 1mm of Neoprene equaling 100g Thinsulate.
4.) crookedeye - 05/17/2015
[url]http://www.cabelas.com/product/CABELAS-MM-NEOPRENE-RUBBER-BOOT/1723351.uts?productVariantId=3660010&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=41-48259932-2&WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03769472&rid=20[/url]
these are the ones I had my eye on.i seen them at cabelas and there a good looking boot..
I like to be stylin when i'm in the woods..
these are the ones I had my eye on.i seen them at cabelas and there a good looking boot..
I like to be stylin when i'm in the woods..
5.) billy b - 05/17/2015
Better get em, you get free shipping.
6.) crookedeye - 05/17/2015
I wouldn't want to get those dirty though..
7.) crookedeye - 05/17/2015
if I buy a pair of boots like that for 150 bucks, i'm not going to get them dirty...
8.) crookedeye - 05/17/2015
i'll walk around mud puddles with those on..
9.) Swamp Fox - 05/18/2015
LOL...
Good answer, Rich & Google....or Google & Rich....Sounds like a candy bar, or a country act...
Let us know how they wear, CE. I do two things to rubber boots: put a hole in the ankle climbing trees (just about guaranteed with Lacrosse) and/or separate the sole from the foot (also guaranteed with Lacrosse, but I've done it on better, as well).
I'm probably gonna need a new pair of rubber snake boots before long. I don't think my Bogs will make it through the summer and then very far into the season.
It's between the new and improved version of the Bogs, and a Muck boot which has recently appeared on the scene...or at least that I never noticed before. Been very pleased with the Bogs for toughness. The new version is much lighter and I hope a bit better to walk in all day. I always hear good things about Muck for comfort, but never was inclined to try them until I saw the snake boot.
Are people still being run out of camp on a rail if they show up in Mucks? I thought that whole thing went on a bit too long, but I understand why people were pissed. I just want a good pair of snake boots that don't leak, but it would be better if they came from a company that didn't make stupid mistakes, LOL.
Good answer, Rich & Google....or Google & Rich....Sounds like a candy bar, or a country act...
Let us know how they wear, CE. I do two things to rubber boots: put a hole in the ankle climbing trees (just about guaranteed with Lacrosse) and/or separate the sole from the foot (also guaranteed with Lacrosse, but I've done it on better, as well).
I'm probably gonna need a new pair of rubber snake boots before long. I don't think my Bogs will make it through the summer and then very far into the season.
It's between the new and improved version of the Bogs, and a Muck boot which has recently appeared on the scene...or at least that I never noticed before. Been very pleased with the Bogs for toughness. The new version is much lighter and I hope a bit better to walk in all day. I always hear good things about Muck for comfort, but never was inclined to try them until I saw the snake boot.
Are people still being run out of camp on a rail if they show up in Mucks? I thought that whole thing went on a bit too long, but I understand why people were pissed. I just want a good pair of snake boots that don't leak, but it would be better if they came from a company that didn't make stupid mistakes, LOL.
10.) bluecat - 05/18/2015
I was all set to buy some Danner boots last year until I found out they discontinued their present design of stitched-on outersole to a glued-on outersole.
Bummed.
Bummed.
11.) Swamp Fox - 05/18/2015
So far my Bogs are the best glued-on sole I've had. They are just now starting to show a small amount of separation after two years' hard use and one year light.
I can turn a pair of Lacrosse or Rockys into expensive flipflops in less than one season.
I can turn a pair of Lacrosse or Rockys into expensive flipflops in less than one season.
12.) Swamp Fox - 05/18/2015
I have a three- or four-year old pair of Danner cordura snake boots---maybe even five years- old-- (Jackal II, I think...the tall ones, duh) and while those look glued on I'll bet they're somehow stitched 'cause they aren't going anywhere.
I hope they don't change whatever they do with that boot, because eventually I will need another pair of those, too. They are the most comfortable snake boots I've ever worn, but I don't go intentionally wading in them like I do rubber boots, LOL.
Whenever I hear somebody say they make a waterproof cordura or leather boot (with Goretex!) I just roll my eyes and laugh. :re:
I hope they don't change whatever they do with that boot, because eventually I will need another pair of those, too. They are the most comfortable snake boots I've ever worn, but I don't go intentionally wading in them like I do rubber boots, LOL.
Whenever I hear somebody say they make a waterproof cordura or leather boot (with Goretex!) I just roll my eyes and laugh. :re:
13.) toxophilite - 05/19/2015
a tube of "aquaseal" will repair any tear in your rubber boots and reattach the sole if need be, it will add years to the life of your boots and it works great on neoprene waders as well :wink
14.) Deerminator - 05/19/2015
That is GREAT STUFF:tu:
15.) Swamp Fox - 05/19/2015
I think I used that on an old pair of boots many moons ago and it held up very well, though those boots didn't go through as much as my boots today. I never thought of it for trying to reattach my soles, probably in large part because I don't have a tube lying around anymore. I guess that's another thing I have to put on my list, LOL.
You'd probably need at least two tubes to put a whole sole back on, wouldn't you?
I have tried Shoe Goo on separating soles, and that wasn't worth the time, possibly because they were only partially separated and I didn't do/couldn't do adequate surface prep.
I've even taken separating/separated soles to a cobbler (at least twice) because they have boot clamps and (you would think) the proper adhesives. That didn't work too well either, LOL. But he only charged me $10 each time, and I got a few weeks out of the repairs.
I think if I try that again I'll give him some Aquaseal to work with and see if the results are different.
Thanks for the tip. :tu:
You'd probably need at least two tubes to put a whole sole back on, wouldn't you?
I have tried Shoe Goo on separating soles, and that wasn't worth the time, possibly because they were only partially separated and I didn't do/couldn't do adequate surface prep.
I've even taken separating/separated soles to a cobbler (at least twice) because they have boot clamps and (you would think) the proper adhesives. That didn't work too well either, LOL. But he only charged me $10 each time, and I got a few weeks out of the repairs.
I think if I try that again I'll give him some Aquaseal to work with and see if the results are different.
Thanks for the tip. :tu:
16.) bluecat - 05/19/2015
It just makes me mad when a reputable company known for quality suddenly cheapens their product. It's as if they have no idea what made them great to begin with.
"Oh hey, we can make this boot cheaper." Um, cost wasn't a prohibitive factor for the consumer, they wanted what no one else could give them. Quality.
I also like the fact that they put an extra piece of material (hard something or other) over the toe area because that is the first thing to get torn up. Doesn't look like they do that either.
"Oh hey, we can make this boot cheaper." Um, cost wasn't a prohibitive factor for the consumer, they wanted what no one else could give them. Quality.
I also like the fact that they put an extra piece of material (hard something or other) over the toe area because that is the first thing to get torn up. Doesn't look like they do that either.
17.) Swamp Fox - 05/19/2015
I haven't looked hard at Danner boots in a few years, but I got the impression somewhere that instead of all boots being made in the U.S. as was the tradition, some models are made here and some are made overseas. So obviously manufacturing processes have been overhauled.
Is it possible that some models are still stitched as they used to be while newer models or redesigned boots are glued these days?
Is it possible that some models are still stitched as they used to be while newer models or redesigned boots are glued these days?
18.) bluecat - 05/19/2015
Might be, I was specifically looking at the Pronghorn. I need a boot that isn't insulated and is tough as nails and water resistant slightly.
I've got insulated boots for late season so that isn't a problem. I can hunt with uninsulated boots for most of the season and I want to turkey hunt in them as well in the spring.
I've got insulated boots for late season so that isn't a problem. I can hunt with uninsulated boots for most of the season and I want to turkey hunt in them as well in the spring.
19.) bluecat - 05/19/2015
With the prices of a cobbler these days, maybe it's a moot point. They want a lot of money to put on another sole. For a few bucks more you can buy a new shoe. They are pricing themselves out of business.
20.) Swamp Fox - 05/19/2015
Look at Cabela's boots made by Meindl. Those have been my best leather boots by far as far as fit and comfort go, but of course everyone's feet are different. But Meindl is top notch to begin with.
I also like the Danner Kestrel if they still make that one. I have two pair from a while back. Those are stitched with good toe protection. They may be a little tougher than you need if you liked the Pronghorns, which I always thought were not my own best choice.
I also like the Danner Kestrel if they still make that one. I have two pair from a while back. Those are stitched with good toe protection. They may be a little tougher than you need if you liked the Pronghorns, which I always thought were not my own best choice.
21.) Swamp Fox - 05/19/2015
I can't tell you if either of those has an uninsulated version, but I bet the Kestrel does, or a very light version...
It's harder than it should be to find uninsulated hunting boots, I do know that. Also, it drives me nuts that nearly everything has Goretex in it. If you want summer boots that let your feet breathe, you have to dig hard.
It's harder than it should be to find uninsulated hunting boots, I do know that. Also, it drives me nuts that nearly everything has Goretex in it. If you want summer boots that let your feet breathe, you have to dig hard.
22.) bluecat - 05/19/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;31973]I can't tell you if either of those has an uninsulated version, but I bet the Kestrel does, or a very light version...
It's harder than it should be to find uninsulated hunting boots, I do know that. Also, it drives me nuts that nearly everything has Goretex in it. If you want summer boots that let your feet breathe, you have to dig hard.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I don't want a heat box. I need it to breath a bit. Funny that this is so hard to find. I'll check out the boots you mentioned.
It's harder than it should be to find uninsulated hunting boots, I do know that. Also, it drives me nuts that nearly everything has Goretex in it. If you want summer boots that let your feet breathe, you have to dig hard.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I don't want a heat box. I need it to breath a bit. Funny that this is so hard to find. I'll check out the boots you mentioned.
23.) bluecat - 05/19/2015
I don't want to sound like a copy cat, but it seems like when you find something that works, you better buy multiple pairs/items because it won't be long before they go bye bye.
24.) bluecat - 05/19/2015
All these boots look like moon boots. I may have better luck looking into a work boot that I hunt in.
25.) Swamp Fox - 05/19/2015
LOL...It's so true...It's why I have at least three or four of almost everything, LOL...I figure if my plans go horribly wrong and I live a long time, I'll at least have [I][B]some [/B][/I]stuff that works at the end. :wink
Along those lines, I bought three more coolers yesterday, LOL. I believe I am now the official
King of Coolers, surpassing the previous record held by Coleman Igloo III, heir to the refrigeration equipment empire.
Bates makes a good desert boot (no Goretex), and Vasque has a few uninsulated, no-Goretex low-ankle hiking/trail boots if you can make either of those options work for you.
Along those lines, I bought three more coolers yesterday, LOL. I believe I am now the official
King of Coolers, surpassing the previous record held by Coleman Igloo III, heir to the refrigeration equipment empire.
Bates makes a good desert boot (no Goretex), and Vasque has a few uninsulated, no-Goretex low-ankle hiking/trail boots if you can make either of those options work for you.
26.) Swamp Fox - 05/19/2015
Speaking of moon boots, I think my lightest, least "padded" boots are some Irish Setters (now discontinued). They were marketed as an upland hunting boot but they tore my Achilles tendon up horribly on one hunt (lots of hill climbing) even after what seemed adequate break in. Basically crippled me until I could get home and wear flip-flops and heal. I hesitate to even put them on after that, even to this day, but after some more wear and a change of sock combination I think they're okay now. But I still hesitate...
My point being: We may do a different kind of walking and other things than a "work boot" is designed for, and I'd be wary of trying to make a non-hunting, non-hiking boot into my solution, when so many so-called "hunting" boots fail miserably themselves.
My point being: We may do a different kind of walking and other things than a "work boot" is designed for, and I'd be wary of trying to make a non-hunting, non-hiking boot into my solution, when so many so-called "hunting" boots fail miserably themselves.
27.) bluecat - 05/19/2015
Irish Setter and Chippewa make some nice ones and even Timberland. I hate the white outer soles of the Irish Setter. It clashes with my latest camo pattern...
28.) Jon - 05/29/2015
I'm still a Muck boot supporter. I've had several pairs and love the comfort and breathability (is that a word?) of the new style. I have the Pursuit Fieldrunner, great for all season.
29.) Swamp Fox - 05/29/2015
Will have to check those out if I come across them. I'm waiting for a big sale before I pull the trigger on the snake boots. I'm not in an emergency situation yet, and I blew the budget on fishing gear this month, LOL. I just hope they don't stop making them by the time my current boots fall apart. :wink
30.) billy b - 05/29/2015
Whats a budget:cf:?
31.) Jon - 05/29/2015
No kids, no wife, what kind of budget could he possibly have?
32.) billy b - 05/29/2015
I bet he doesn't have a hat budget.
33.) Jon - 05/29/2015
He doesn't have a cheap beer budget
34.) Swamp Fox - 05/29/2015
LOL, Billy...
Jon, funny you say that...I scared myself the other day when I realized how much I've probably spent on beer the last few years...I have to admit I only drink Bud and Natty Lite in dire emergencies....
:beer:
Jon, funny you say that...I scared myself the other day when I realized how much I've probably spent on beer the last few years...I have to admit I only drink Bud and Natty Lite in dire emergencies....
:beer:
35.) DParker - 05/29/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;32194]LOL, Billy...
Jon, funny you say that...I scared myself the other day when I realized how much I've probably spent on beer the last few years...I have to admit I only drink Bud and Natty Lite in dire emergencies....
:beer:[/QUOTE]
Bud? Natty Lite? Next thing you'll be growing a beerd.
Jon, funny you say that...I scared myself the other day when I realized how much I've probably spent on beer the last few years...I have to admit I only drink Bud and Natty Lite in dire emergencies....
:beer:[/QUOTE]
Bud? Natty Lite? Next thing you'll be growing a beerd.
36.) Swamp Fox - 05/29/2015
I see what you did there...
I did a quick calculation the other day...I could switch over to PBR from Shiner and Saranac, say, and drink twice as much for the same money...
Does that sound like something I should do? LOL
I should probably check in with Croookedeye and see what he thinks. :wink
I did a quick calculation the other day...I could switch over to PBR from Shiner and Saranac, say, and drink twice as much for the same money...
Does that sound like something I should do? LOL
I should probably check in with Croookedeye and see what he thinks. :wink
37.) DParker - 05/29/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;32197]I see what you did there...
I did a quick calculation the other day...I could switch over to PBR from Shiner and Saranac, say, and drink twice as much for the same money...
Does that sound like something I should do? LOL
I should probably check in with Croookedeye and see what he thinks. :wink[/QUOTE]
I recently got hooked on this stuff, and have a fridge full of it...and am still desperately trying to restock my Blanton's supply...so I'm probably not the best person to ask about cost-effective booze consumption strategery.
I did a quick calculation the other day...I could switch over to PBR from Shiner and Saranac, say, and drink twice as much for the same money...
Does that sound like something I should do? LOL
I should probably check in with Croookedeye and see what he thinks. :wink[/QUOTE]
I recently got hooked on this stuff, and have a fridge full of it...and am still desperately trying to restock my Blanton's supply...so I'm probably not the best person to ask about cost-effective booze consumption strategery.
38.) Swamp Fox - 05/29/2015
Damn! Now I'm thirsty(ier)!
BTW...Remember I was complaining that Shiner substituted something less good than Prickly Pear in their variety pack last summer? Well now, up here anyway, they're selling six packs of Prickly Pear as a seasonal. If you can stand a sweetish beer for hot weather consumption, or after supper (a dessert beer? :wink:-):grin:) I think it's pretty good.
:beer:
BTW...Remember I was complaining that Shiner substituted something less good than Prickly Pear in their variety pack last summer? Well now, up here anyway, they're selling six packs of Prickly Pear as a seasonal. If you can stand a sweetish beer for hot weather consumption, or after supper (a dessert beer? :wink:-):grin:) I think it's pretty good.
:beer:
39.) Swamp Fox - 06/22/2015
[QUOTE=Jon;32183]No kids, no wife, what kind of budget could he possibly have?[/QUOTE]
I was in Cabelas blowing the budget again yesterday and tried on the Muck Pursuit snake boot. An interesting lining which is supposed to be cool and low-friction to keep your dawgs from barking, but a very stiff boot (especially for rubber) and pretty heavy. They're well-built on a quick look. Moderately comfortable but not notably so. I prefer a boot I can see walking long distances in, so I think I'll mosey past this one. Especially for the money they're asking. William Devane ought to get in on the rubber market based on what Muck thinks of it.
On a side note, you know you have a Cabelas problem when you go to the In-Store Pickup window for the first time ever and you tell them your name and they look at you like they know who you are, LOL.
I was in Cabelas blowing the budget again yesterday and tried on the Muck Pursuit snake boot. An interesting lining which is supposed to be cool and low-friction to keep your dawgs from barking, but a very stiff boot (especially for rubber) and pretty heavy. They're well-built on a quick look. Moderately comfortable but not notably so. I prefer a boot I can see walking long distances in, so I think I'll mosey past this one. Especially for the money they're asking. William Devane ought to get in on the rubber market based on what Muck thinks of it.
On a side note, you know you have a Cabelas problem when you go to the In-Store Pickup window for the first time ever and you tell them your name and they look at you like they know who you are, LOL.
40.) bluecat - 06/29/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;32681]
On a side note, you know you have a Cabelas problem when you go to the In-Store Pickup window for the first time ever and you tell them your name and they look at you like they know who you are, LOL.[/QUOTE]
LOL!
Unfortunately, I know the guys at GoodYear where we get our cars serviced so well, that I can recognize any of the workers or mechanics by their voice on the phone. Now that is bad.
On a side note, you know you have a Cabelas problem when you go to the In-Store Pickup window for the first time ever and you tell them your name and they look at you like they know who you are, LOL.[/QUOTE]
LOL!
Unfortunately, I know the guys at GoodYear where we get our cars serviced so well, that I can recognize any of the workers or mechanics by their voice on the phone. Now that is bad.
41.) Swamp Fox - 06/29/2015
My mechanic gave me a bottle of wine as a Christmas gift one year! LOL
When I was in my 20's and living on Doritos and pizza, I lived in town near a Domino's (and Bojangles!). I ate so much pepperoni with extra cheese, they didn't even bother to ask my name or what I wanted when I'd call in LOL. This was well before businesses started using caller ID the way they do now.
Apparently I have one of those voices where I shouldn't call into radio talk shows if I have a non-PC opinion...LOL
When I was in my 20's and living on Doritos and pizza, I lived in town near a Domino's (and Bojangles!). I ate so much pepperoni with extra cheese, they didn't even bother to ask my name or what I wanted when I'd call in LOL. This was well before businesses started using caller ID the way they do now.
Apparently I have one of those voices where I shouldn't call into radio talk shows if I have a non-PC opinion...LOL
42.) bluecat - 06/29/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;32820]My mechanic gave me a bottle of wine as a Christmas gift one year! LOL
When I was in my 20's and living on Doritos and pizza, I lived in town near a Domino's (and Bojangles!). I ate so much pepperoni with extra cheese, they didn't even bother to ask my name or what I wanted when I'd call in LOL. This was well before businesses started using caller ID the way they do now.
Apparently I have one of those voices where I shouldn't call into radio talk shows if I have a non-PC opinion...LOL[/QUOTE]
:tu::-)
When I was in my 20's and living on Doritos and pizza, I lived in town near a Domino's (and Bojangles!). I ate so much pepperoni with extra cheese, they didn't even bother to ask my name or what I wanted when I'd call in LOL. This was well before businesses started using caller ID the way they do now.
Apparently I have one of those voices where I shouldn't call into radio talk shows if I have a non-PC opinion...LOL[/QUOTE]
:tu::-)
43.) Jon - 06/29/2015
The funniest part of that comment is the fact that Swampy has a mechanic.....
44.) Swamp Fox - 06/29/2015
LOL...Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about half the time, but we're good buds, LOL.