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1.) Swamp Fox - 09/05/2014
OK...I give up. Was trying to find something for myself as well as for Luv2 that I've seen in the last few months. It is a self-locking pulley (toothed housing) that will take smaller line (1/4 to 3/8 inch, say..I don't remember exactly, but smaller than what I am about to show you...)
It looks like this from EZ Kut, but without the extra pulley...just the blue housing.
I called EZ Kut because I thought they might have been the mfctr of the unit I was thinking about, but haven't heard back.
I know somebody makes this and EZKut and others can put their brand on it. You basically guide the line into the teeth to lock and lift out at a greater angle to release.
Anyone know what I'm talking about? I'd be willing to look at a unit that includes the extra pulley, because that can be removed. I just need the smaller line capability. I already have the version pictured.
It looks like this from EZ Kut, but without the extra pulley...just the blue housing.
I called EZ Kut because I thought they might have been the mfctr of the unit I was thinking about, but haven't heard back.
I know somebody makes this and EZKut and others can put their brand on it. You basically guide the line into the teeth to lock and lift out at a greater angle to release.
Anyone know what I'm talking about? I'd be willing to look at a unit that includes the extra pulley, because that can be removed. I just need the smaller line capability. I already have the version pictured.
2.) Floyd - 09/05/2014
Why a smaller line?
3.) Floyd - 09/05/2014
4.) Floyd - 09/05/2014
[URL="http://www.tieboss.com/"]http://www.tieboss.com/[/URL]
5.) Swamp Fox - 09/05/2014
Because it will be less bulky, and also if I eliminate the second pulley I don't need as much line to begin with. I'm only intending to lift 12-18 pounds, but I want to lift to 25-30 feet. So, straight pull without a need for the extra mechanical advantage.
The version I have is the cat's pajamas for lifting heavy loads to skinning height, say.
The version I have is the cat's pajamas for lifting heavy loads to skinning height, say.
6.) Dan-o - 09/06/2014
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[/URL]7.) Dan-o - 09/06/2014
I just carry this and tie my rope off after I raise my stand.
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[/URL]8.) Dan-o - 09/06/2014
I tell you who's an expert at these, it's Kenny. He should chime in. Oh wait, he can't!
9.) Swamp Fox - 09/06/2014
Thanks, Dan-o. That's a good suggestion. I was trying to make the point to Luv2 that a pulley system needn't be bulky and that does the trick.
BTW, I actually have the Traxion capture pulley (Mini or Micro; I don't remember) shown above the Fixe Micro Gold and that is a slick little piece of equipment, too, though pricey. The little gizmo I am thinking about would eliminate the tie-off and untie steps of a straight pulley and cost far less than a good capture pulley. It ran about $30 not including rope IIRC, and I was all set to buy one a little while back. I'm just amazed I can't find it on the net anywhere right now.
BTW, I actually have the Traxion capture pulley (Mini or Micro; I don't remember) shown above the Fixe Micro Gold and that is a slick little piece of equipment, too, though pricey. The little gizmo I am thinking about would eliminate the tie-off and untie steps of a straight pulley and cost far less than a good capture pulley. It ran about $30 not including rope IIRC, and I was all set to buy one a little while back. I'm just amazed I can't find it on the net anywhere right now.
10.) Swamp Fox - 09/06/2014
Ooops!
Here it is, at Floyd's link above. Sorry Floyd, I didn't look at it last night 'cause I thought it was a link to the product you pictured, which is not what I was looking for.
But this is exactly the deal. No idea why it never came up in my searches.
[url]http://www.tieboss.com/Products.cfm[/url]
Here it is, at Floyd's link above. Sorry Floyd, I didn't look at it last night 'cause I thought it was a link to the product you pictured, which is not what I was looking for.
But this is exactly the deal. No idea why it never came up in my searches.
[url]http://www.tieboss.com/Products.cfm[/url]
11.) Deerminator - 09/06/2014
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;24343]Because it will be less bulky, and also if I eliminate the second pulley I don't need as much line to begin with. I'm only intending to lift 12-18 pounds, but I want to lift to 25-30 feet. So, straight pull without a need for the extra mechanical advantage.
The version I have is the cat's pajamas for lifting heavy loads to skinning height, say.[/QUOTE]
12-18lbs!!! is that all???, spend alittle time at the gym, wussy pants:-)
The version I have is the cat's pajamas for lifting heavy loads to skinning height, say.[/QUOTE]
12-18lbs!!! is that all???, spend alittle time at the gym, wussy pants:-)
12.) Swamp Fox - 09/06/2014
LOL...
It's really for Luv2. :wink
No, seriously...A pulley makes your life way better. Just ask the Romans. Pull a few too many 18-pound treestands hand-over-hand up 25 feet and you'll end up with a shoulder like mine. And I don't like to climb with a stand on my back or over my shoulder in case you're going there next, LOL. That's just a bad accident waiting to become a worse one.
Real men use pulleys...Now, if you want to talk about those wussies hauling corn around on their ATV's, pull up a chair and pop a top. :wink
It's really for Luv2. :wink
No, seriously...A pulley makes your life way better. Just ask the Romans. Pull a few too many 18-pound treestands hand-over-hand up 25 feet and you'll end up with a shoulder like mine. And I don't like to climb with a stand on my back or over my shoulder in case you're going there next, LOL. That's just a bad accident waiting to become a worse one.
Real men use pulleys...Now, if you want to talk about those wussies hauling corn around on their ATV's, pull up a chair and pop a top. :wink
13.) Deerminator - 09/06/2014
a larger dia. rope with knots in it would make it easyer.
14.) Swamp Fox - 09/06/2014
Yeah, but then it's bulky. Trust me: you don't know how good life can be until you start using pulleys to set your stands.
15.) Deerminator - 09/06/2014
counter weight, may be?
16.) Swamp Fox - 09/06/2014
You're not trying to reinvent the wheel, are you?
'Cause that's my job...LOL
'Cause that's my job...LOL
17.) Deerminator - 09/06/2014
Bring an assistant
18.) Swamp Fox - 09/06/2014
You mean like this?
'Cause I've been thinking about that for a while...
'Cause I've been thinking about that for a while...
19.) Floyd - 09/06/2014
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;24349]Ooops!
Here it is, at Floyd's link above. Sorry Floyd, I didn't look at it last night 'cause I thought it was a link to the product you pictured, which is not what I was looking for.
But this is exactly the deal. No idea why it never came up in my searches.
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Glad I could help Swampy. I do like what Dan-o posted though.
Here it is, at Floyd's link above. Sorry Floyd, I didn't look at it last night 'cause I thought it was a link to the product you pictured, which is not what I was looking for.
But this is exactly the deal. No idea why it never came up in my searches.
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Glad I could help Swampy. I do like what Dan-o posted though.
20.) Deerminator - 09/06/2014
[SIZE=7]YES!![/SIZE]
21.) crookedeye - 09/06/2014
just carry the stand up the ladder sticks like I do, you just need to be very careful...
22.) Deerminator - 09/06/2014
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23.) crookedeye - 09/06/2014
when I hang a stand I kinda straddle the tree with my knees and put more forward weight on my right side while my left arm gives me support..
24.) crookedeye - 09/06/2014
its not the most safest way, but its quicker and out of 20 years I only had 3 falls...
25.) billy b - 09/06/2014
Yeah & one of them really took:shh:
26.) Deerminator - 09/06/2014
I wear my safty line and belt.:tu:
27.) Floyd - 09/07/2014
That's some coin for the Petzl. Great stuff though.
28.) luv2bowhunt - 09/08/2014
Pulley, schmulley.
As long as the stand is <15 lbs pulling it up is not a big deal. Maybe for one of those big fat man 350 lb capacity disco platform stands you'd need something like that. I didn't come here for advice I came for an argument.
I like shoo-fly pie.
As long as the stand is <15 lbs pulling it up is not a big deal. Maybe for one of those big fat man 350 lb capacity disco platform stands you'd need something like that. I didn't come here for advice I came for an argument.
I like shoo-fly pie.
29.) bluecat - 09/08/2014
The tie boss gadget looks pretty cool. I have something similar for hoisting a deer up.
Just understand that once you put a little downward force on the deer as you would if you were pulling on the hide you could easily go over the recommended poundage. But if you were careful with the skinning process, it would be a nice addition.
As for hoisting a stand, I believe it would really work.
Just understand that once you put a little downward force on the deer as you would if you were pulling on the hide you could easily go over the recommended poundage. But if you were careful with the skinning process, it would be a nice addition.
As for hoisting a stand, I believe it would really work.
30.) Swamp Fox - 09/08/2014
Yeah, I've never used the little one for skinning, but I have used their bigger version which I showed in the first post.
By way of argument, the second thing the pulley arrangement does beside make lifting the stand a lot easier and saving you thousands of dollars in shoulder surgery eventually is it provides that third hand Luv2 likes for securing the stand to the tree. Pulley the stand to the desired height and position, and then attach the stand strap like you're a boss. You can eat an icecream cone with your left hand and strap the stand in with your right if you practice. Easy peasy. No need for a hanging bracket then. A tool which does two jobs, you might say. A better mousetrap. :wink
By way of argument, the second thing the pulley arrangement does beside make lifting the stand a lot easier and saving you thousands of dollars in shoulder surgery eventually is it provides that third hand Luv2 likes for securing the stand to the tree. Pulley the stand to the desired height and position, and then attach the stand strap like you're a boss. You can eat an icecream cone with your left hand and strap the stand in with your right if you practice. Easy peasy. No need for a hanging bracket then. A tool which does two jobs, you might say. A better mousetrap. :wink
31.) Floyd - 09/08/2014
Although a little pricier, the one Dan-o posted has more capacity in a smaller lighter package with added safety I believe.
Petzl are great products.
Petzl are great products.
32.) luv2bowhunt - 09/08/2014
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;24587]By way of argument, the second thing the pulley arrangement does beside make lifting the stand a lot easier and saving you thousands of dollars in shoulder surgery eventually is it provides that third hand Luv2 likes for securing the stand to the tree.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't.
Why do I envision I bunch of rope tangled up in branches and brush while I'm trying to get the stand hung in the thick laurel infested clearcuts that I hunt? I have enough trouble just getting a line from the stand to the ground, with a clear path in which to pull a bow up.
No it doesn't.
Why do I envision I bunch of rope tangled up in branches and brush while I'm trying to get the stand hung in the thick laurel infested clearcuts that I hunt? I have enough trouble just getting a line from the stand to the ground, with a clear path in which to pull a bow up.
33.) Swamp Fox - 09/08/2014
You envision that because you have an over-active imagination.
Clip the pulley to your belt or your safety harness and it will feed line out as you climb. It's the same concept as regular rope or even a Strapper, LOL
I can understand the concepts of underbrush and limby trees, but don't let them keep you down, man! Break down the barriers! The future is in technology! (It used to be plastics, but now it's technology. Hope you're okay with that.)
Clip the pulley to your belt or your safety harness and it will feed line out as you climb. It's the same concept as regular rope or even a Strapper, LOL
I can understand the concepts of underbrush and limby trees, but don't let them keep you down, man! Break down the barriers! The future is in technology! (It used to be plastics, but now it's technology. Hope you're okay with that.)
34.) luv2bowhunt - 09/08/2014
How heavy is this pulley system you're taking along?
(wait for it......wait for it.......)
(wait for it......wait for it.......)
35.) Swamp Fox - 09/08/2014
[QUOTE=Floyd;24588]Although a little pricier, the one Dan-o posted has more capacity in a smaller lighter package with added safety I believe.
Petzl are great products.[/QUOTE]
You're talking about the regular pulley (Fixe), correct?, not the vastly more expensive and self-locking Traxion?
I misspoke earlier, in case it matters to anyone. The small Tie Boss will run you about $15 bucks (not $30) before you add enough rope. So it's the least expensive of the three options, plus it locks.
I started using a locking pulley for hanging treestands maybe 20 years ago. Naturally they stopped making the one I have, which was designed for treestands, so I went out looking for alternatives, especially to eliminate bulk and weight.
Let me note as well that some add-on hanging bracket gizmos like the Treestand Buddy allow you to hoist your stand up (usually from the ground, from what I can tell, but maybe you can use some of them from the tree). You can also use an eyehook to pull line through or a treestep to pull it over, if you can get them into the tree. Not as smooth as a pulley, but an option if you have a heavy stand or gear item and no treelimbs to work with.
Petzl are great products.[/QUOTE]
You're talking about the regular pulley (Fixe), correct?, not the vastly more expensive and self-locking Traxion?
I misspoke earlier, in case it matters to anyone. The small Tie Boss will run you about $15 bucks (not $30) before you add enough rope. So it's the least expensive of the three options, plus it locks.
I started using a locking pulley for hanging treestands maybe 20 years ago. Naturally they stopped making the one I have, which was designed for treestands, so I went out looking for alternatives, especially to eliminate bulk and weight.
Let me note as well that some add-on hanging bracket gizmos like the Treestand Buddy allow you to hoist your stand up (usually from the ground, from what I can tell, but maybe you can use some of them from the tree). You can also use an eyehook to pull line through or a treestep to pull it over, if you can get them into the tree. Not as smooth as a pulley, but an option if you have a heavy stand or gear item and no treelimbs to work with.
36.) Swamp Fox - 09/08/2014
The large one is about the weight of one of my ham sandwiches without the second pulley, so the small one would be about the weight of a PBJ.
37.) luv2bowhunt - 09/08/2014
Sure it is Tarheel.
38.) Swamp Fox - 09/08/2014
LOL...No, seriously, very light. The little petzl pulley is probably even lighter.. I say probably because I've had it in my hand (may or may not own it---would have to dig around in the box marked "Stuff I thought I'd use by now" and it IS light...much lighter than the big Tie Boss without the second pulley, but I haven't handled the little one.
We're getting into uncomfortable territory here: I'm not used to being the one advocating extra technology here. But I figure since it's been around since Archimedes, a pulley is okay for me to get on board with.
We're getting into uncomfortable territory here: I'm not used to being the one advocating extra technology here. But I figure since it's been around since Archimedes, a pulley is okay for me to get on board with.
39.) luv2bowhunt - 09/08/2014
In all seriousness, I've never felt it a problem pulling the stand up to position. But then again, I'm using light, sometimes really light, stands.
With my midget feet and frame I don't need much of a platform either, so I get away with less space. The self-made loop and hook in the tree for the third hand is a good idea and something I will certainly use this year.
So....in conclusion...........I grade you a C+.......maybe B- on general info. The score that is going to hurt you is the "Ability to get along with others". I see low scores coming at the end of the semester for that.
With my midget feet and frame I don't need much of a platform either, so I get away with less space. The self-made loop and hook in the tree for the third hand is a good idea and something I will certainly use this year.
So....in conclusion...........I grade you a C+.......maybe B- on general info. The score that is going to hurt you is the "Ability to get along with others". I see low scores coming at the end of the semester for that.
40.) Swamp Fox - 09/08/2014
LOL...My mom said I always liked to argue.
I'm scared to look at what's on my permanent record...:wink
I'm scared to look at what's on my permanent record...:wink
41.) luv2bowhunt - 09/08/2014
It's just you and me on here now. You can really hear the echo while you type.
Anything else we need to argue about with the pulleys?
....it does say 2 members and 40 guests. Those 40 are the ones who are creeping me out. I can almost feel their glazed stares onto my words. It's like they're sucking the life right out of the threads.
Anything else we need to argue about with the pulleys?
....it does say 2 members and 40 guests. Those 40 are the ones who are creeping me out. I can almost feel their glazed stares onto my words. It's like they're sucking the life right out of the threads.
42.) Swamp Fox - 09/08/2014
Plus they secretly hate you but don't have the stones to come on here and tell you to your virtual face...LOL
I have some tiny, very light lock-ons from when I was into that. I suppose some day I will be again.
Do you pre-drill your step holes for trees you will use, use removable spikes, take out the lower six or how do you go in the same day? I don't think you use sticks...I never saw the point of a 12-pound treestand and 10 pounds of sticks as a mobile hunting system, LOL....
I have some tiny, very light lock-ons from when I was into that. I suppose some day I will be again.
Do you pre-drill your step holes for trees you will use, use removable spikes, take out the lower six or how do you go in the same day? I don't think you use sticks...I never saw the point of a 12-pound treestand and 10 pounds of sticks as a mobile hunting system, LOL....
43.) luv2bowhunt - 09/08/2014
For my mostest mobile sets, I use my old strap on steps, the ones they don't sell anymore. Super light, but don't hold up well for fat people.:shh:
44.) billy b - 09/08/2014
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;24637]For my mostest mobile sets, I use my old strap on steps, the ones they don't sell anymore. Super light, but don't hold up well for fat people.:shh:[/QUOTE]
Hence the knee surgery:wink
Hence the knee surgery:wink
45.) luv2bowhunt - 09/08/2014
Touche' Tex. But on that stand I was actually using the screw in steps.:wink
46.) Swamp Fox - 09/08/2014
Billy, he called you a touche...
You gonna take that?
:fire:
:pop:
You gonna take that?
:fire:
:pop: